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Old 11th January 2010, 10:36   #316
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@Racoon, is it that you dont track the FE of your car ? If you do, you should be able to calculate quite well how much fuel you are going to fill, and add System-G accordingly.

Even if you end up a little short, (say 0.9ml per liter), you should still be good. I dont think the additive will stop working if it is less than the recommended 1 ml per liter.
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Old 11th January 2010, 14:32   #317
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Apart from having to estimate quantity of additive, it is a real pain to buy and carry it all the time. More so because it is frequent/repetitive task. Don't know how many would agree, but I feel embarrassed while taking out the bottle measuring and pouring it into the tank. Others queued behind me may think what the hell this over-cautious (read stupid) fellow is doing and wasting their time! Remember, most of the time there is bumper to bumper traffic at petrol bunks too.

I am thinking of moving to premium petrol instead of normal U/L + system G for these reasons.
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Santosh, since there is a que at the bunk, you can estimate the quantity required and add this to the tank before your turn comes up.

Else, you can :
1. The additive filling can be done while he gets you your bill / change
2. Do the additive filling while you wait for your air
3. Do the additive filling after the fuel filling, away from the que.
4. Do it once you reach home, after subtracting for the fuel used to reach home.

5. Use one of the other additives where you have to only do it once in a way.

Heck, I have even done the additive filling when waiting at a signal

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@condor, 4 is the best and in fact I used to do that in the beginning. But later came to know that they recommend adding it before filling in order to mix it properly with the fuel, otherwise significant amount may remain stuck inside tank's long neck.

Not aware of 5.
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Old 11th January 2010, 16:44   #320
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I have seen my uncle adding this system D additive to his Ford Escort Orion, and the car used to be very smooth and used to give very good mileage. I would like to know whether it is safe to use similar additives in a 10 year old Tata Indica? I asked the Tata Showroom guys in Madurai and they told me to use Premium diesel, but i never felt a difference by using premium diesel, hence my query.
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Old 12th January 2010, 01:19   #321
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@Racoon, I add System-D after I fill. But my filling is always a top-up, till the neck of the tank. This way even when I add after filling, all the additive goes into the fuel.

Also, my FE is very consistent, so the error is not much in my case.
You really should not be filling up till the neck. I never let the attendant fill more after the auto cut-off.

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If I understand you, you are not able to decide on the amount of System G to pour before filling the tank.

At what stage do you top up the tank? Mid way or the very end? I feel the new generation cars would give an good estimation of how much additive to be poured on the tank. (e.g.) On my baleno, if I decide to fill when the needle is at the very end (red), I would land up somewhere around 38-42 litres..

Old esteem were notorious for showing incorrect fuel in the tank.
I top up (to full tank) at any time after then fuel reaches halfway. So the tank can be anywhere from half full to almost empty, when I go to fill up (I endeavor to keep at least 5 - 8 litres in the tank, so it should never run dry).

I am pretty good at estimating the amount of gas required to fill up the tank, and add System D before filling up. But then it remains an estimate, and can never be exact, so I always end up adding a bit more of System G than the recommended 1 ml/litre. So the expense is also more. But using System G is a bit cheaper than premium fuels, so I guess that makes it worth it.

System G is supposed to be put in before filling up (its best mixed that way), and I'm not ready to do it otherwise.

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@Racoon, is it that you dont track the FE of your car ? If you do, you should be able to calculate quite well how much fuel you are going to fill, and add System-G accordingly.

Even if you end up a little short, (say 0.9ml per liter), you should still be good. I dont think the additive will stop working if it is less than the recommended 1 ml per liter.
According to a conversation I had with someone from the IFTEX tech. department, its fine to add a bit more (but not more than a bit) than recommended, but its not a good idea to add less.

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Apart from having to estimate quantity of additive, it is a real pain to buy and carry it all the time. More so because it is frequent/repetitive task. Don't know how many would agree, but I feel embarrassed while taking out the bottle measuring and pouring it into the tank. Others queued behind me may think what the hell this over-cautious (read stupid) fellow is doing and wasting their time! Remember, most of the time there is bumper to bumper traffic at petrol bunks too.

I am thinking of moving to premium petrol instead of normal U/L + system G for these reasons.
Yes, it is a bit of a pain and a bit of extra effort, no doubt. But IMO, its worth it.

And yes, even I get stares when I hold up the line for a minute or so while I add the stuff, but I don't care. My car's health is a lot more important than public opinion.
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Guys, I was given a big NO to IFTEX D or any diesel additives for my Scorpio by M&M.
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AbdulRahmanM : I would like to know whether it is safe to use similar additives in a 10 year old Tata Indica?
Yes, definitely try it.

Remember that Iftex recommends usage with two tank fulls of fuel before you start to see results. This means you will need to fill your 42 liter tank, add 42ml of System -D, Use up most of the fuel and do another cycle of top up + system-D.

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getsurya : Guys, I was given a big NO to IFTEX D or any diesel additives for my Scorpio by M&M.
@GetSurya, go as per your owners manual. If you want to still confirm, try it and decide for yourself. IMO, the quantity is very minute to cause any problem. The additive will anyway be burnt with the fuel. Another option for you is the CRDe / CRDI specific additives from Sonax & other companies.
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condor, i think the indica fuel tank is smaller than 42 litres. Mine is 37L. Not sure about the pre V2 indica's
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@Greenhorn, thanks. I dont expect the capacity to have changed. And it's been a long time since we gave up our Pre-V2 DLE.

@Abdul, pls check your tank capacity, fill up & add at the rate of 1ml per liter of fuel. Just remember to do atleast two tanks full of diesel before you start to see any benifits.
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Recently T.A.S.S recomemnded to add Bardhal Diesel additive to my Safari 2.2 VTT , See Safari 2.2 VTT Technical thread. The problem was suspected due to adultrated fuel.

The results are positive in last 2 days and engine sounds smooth the cost of Bardhal Diesel additive is almost same as System - D but the whole bottle needs to be added to the tank with atleast 10 L of Diesel.

This product is recommended by TML for Dicor engines by internal circular and there is another equivelent BG244 which was out of stock.
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Recently T.A.S.S recomemnded to add Bardhal Diesel additive to my Safari 2.2 VTT , See Safari 2.2 VTT Technical thread. The problem was suspected due to adultrated fuel.

The results are positive in last 2 days and engine sounds smooth the cost of Bardhal Diesel additive is almost same as System - D but the whole bottle needs to be added to the tank with atleast 10 L of Diesel.

This product is recommended by TML for Dicor engines by internal circular and there is another equivelent BG244 which was out of stock.
Alas, you cant remember the exact name as I can't look at the specs of Bardhal and based on our conversation also I cant find the exact product name, is it possible for you to call the SA for the name ??
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According to Ford, they recommend to add 1ml of IFTEX System G with every litre of Petrol. This is for Petrol vehicles.
As far as Diesel Cars, they recommend to use only high quality fuel WITHOUT additives or other engine treatments (mixing diesel with oil, petrol or other liquids could cause a chemical reaction)?
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Recently T.A.S.S recomemnded to add Bardhal Diesel additive to my Safari 2.2 VTT , See Safari 2.2 VTT Technical thread. The problem was suspected due to adultrated fuel.

The results are positive in last 2 days and engine sounds smooth the cost of Bardhal Diesel additive is almost same as System - D but the whole bottle needs to be added to the tank with atleast 10 L of Diesel.

This product is recommended by TML for Dicor engines by internal circular and there is another equivelent BG244 which was out of stock.
I find Bardhal to be a shady kinda company. I'd even be suspicious of any place that recommends such stuff. I'd go with IFTEX any anyday.
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I bought System G and filled 50 ML(tank is 50 lts) and no change till now, car runs the same. The bottle says noticeble difference in 2 tankful, i guess i will wait then.

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