System G / D (IFTEX): yes or no????, Fuel additives thread.

[im_srini]

Hi guys, 'am not sure what good these additives do - this is the state of my engine which has been run exclusively on Speed-97 & System-G (since they've been available).



I for one have learnt to take the manufacturer's claims of these products with a pinch of salt ! Maybe these products do work (the lack of carbon on the intake valve side of the piston crowns), but I do not think they work as well as its claimed...

[Eddy]

Well, they may have worked. It could have been a lot worse without them.

BTW: Why did you need to open up the engine ?

[im_srini]

Hi Eddy, I agree they could have mitigated carbon build-up, but its plain to see that the products are not the cure-alls that their manufacturers claim them to be. Other than using the best fuel & additives I'm not sure what else one needs to do to minimize this gunk build-up !

Originally Posted by Eddy

BTW: Why did you need to open up the engine ?

I'm getting a 285 cam & a lightened flywheel installed

[dadu]

Originally Posted by im_srini

Hi guys, 'am not sure what good these additives do - this is the state of my engine which has been run exclusively on Speed-97 & System-G (since they've been available).

I for one have learnt to take the manufacturer's claims of these products with a pinch of salt ! Maybe these products do work (the lack of carbon on the intake valve side of the piston crowns), but I do not think they work as well as its claimed...

Originally Posted by Eddy

Well, they may have worked. It could have been a lot worse without them.

BTW: Why did you need to open up the engine ?

I agree with Eddy here, the focus of the additives is to reduce these deposits, IMO there is no additive in the world which can completely remove them.

A real test of conclusion is to open up 2 similar engines having done near similar KM run, one with fuel additive from 0 mile and other without it.

[condor]

im_srini : ... - this is the state of my engine which has been run exclusively on Speed-97 & System-G (since they've been available).

Importantly, how much have you run so far ? Also, which car, make & model. (Just curious)

I am assuming that you have never done any engine work on the car till now.

[amitk26]

IBP has tie up with IFTEX to distribute System D / G.

It is available on IBP petrol pump located on Koramangala 80 feet road
(On your left hand if you go towards National Games Village from Sony World junction)

Regards
Amit

Originally Posted by stevie

Guys

I have searched all over Bangalore for the System G, for the last two month and none of the bunks have it. Can someone help me find in Bangalore please? It has really helped my Opel Corsa 1.4 for the last three years. I miss the System G. Please help!!

[im_srini]

Originally Posted by condor

Importantly, how much have you run so far ? Also, which car, make & model. (Just curious)

Hi Condor, my car's a 2001 Alto Vx & it's run around 62,000 Kms.

Originally Posted by condor

I am assuming that you have never done any engine work on the car till now.

The head has been worked upon twice in the past 2 years - once for a porting & polishing job, & several months later for a compression job.

Originally Posted by dadu

A real test of conclusion is to open up 2 similar engines having done near similar KM run, one with fuel additive from 0 mile and other without it

True, the technician who was handling the job on my engine at the service center told me that the insides of my engine looked surprisingly clean - I was like

Where are all these deposits coming from ? I'm using both Speed97 as well as System-G - going by the claims made, my engine should've been clean enough to eat out off.

Is my air-filter at fault (I clean that thing religiously every month though) ?

[amitk26]

Originally Posted by im_srini

Is my air-filter at fault (I clean that thing religiously every month though) ?

Can you please tell how do you clean the Air-Filter as DIY ?

[im_srini]

Originally Posted by amitk26

Can you please tell how do you clean the Air-Filter as DIY ?

Hi Amit... The filter I'm using is from Simota & it's got a fine stainless steel mesh instead of the regular paper element.

The filter element is cleaned with K&N's standard filter cleaning kit. I do nothing special, I simply follow the instructions on the kit. The whole procedure takes about 4 or 5 hours - most of the time spent is actually for letting the element dry !

[Jaggu]

im_srini: why is the piston top so wet? have you done a comp check and how is the health of piston rings?

[amitk26]

Originally Posted by im_srini

Hi Amit... The filter I'm using is from Simota & it's got a fine stainless steel mesh instead of the regular paper element.

The filter element is cleaned with K&N's standard filter cleaning kit. I do nothing special, I simply follow the instructions on the kit. The whole procedure takes about 4 or 5 hours - most of the time spent is actually for letting the element dry !

Could the excessive dust passing to engine from a steel mesh instead of paper filter be the cause of accumulated grime in engine despite all the additives over the years? just a thought I am no expert in this

[mdesai_1981]

hi guys,
i had just been to US and saw some amazing car produts there. i saw a full range of STP fuel aaditives range there.
they had STP complete fuel cleaner which is for 400rs(somewhat after coversion) they say its the ultimate in fuel additives and has to be used once every 6 months or 10000miles. then there was a carb & injector cleaner cleaner, octane booster, and a fuel injector cleaner. with various strength levels but the above metioned STP complete fuel cleaner had the highest standard(no. 4) .
now i am pretty confused as i regularly use iftex with regular fuel or somtimes if no choice then power fuel.
can u guys help me.. shld i switch over to stp? is it better than iftex? and has to be addded once once every service unlike on regular intervals as in iftex?
i have a chevy optra and the company recommends iftex with regular fuel.
pls advice. thnx

[SLK]

Originally Posted by mdesai_1981

they had STP complete fuel cleaner which is for 400rs(somewhat after coversion) they say its the ultimate in fuel additives and has to be used once every 6 months or 10000miles.

I guess thats only for US! Indian conditions are much more demanding

[im_srini]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

im_srini: why is the piston top so wet? have you done a comp check and how is the health of piston rings ?

Hi Jaggu, the pistons are wet from the diesel & oil mix used to remove the deposits. And I have a compression test done every 10K Kms, the last time I did it, the values were within limits.

Originally Posted by amitk26

Could the excessive dust passing to engine from a steel mesh instead of paper filter be the cause of accumulated grime in engine despite all the additives over the years?

Yes Amit, that's a definite possibility - but I use K&N filter oil to wet the element. The mesh is really fine, I'm not sure of the size of the mesh in microns or anything, but it's dense enough that if you try to shine a light (even a small laser) through, you can't see it from the other side (not a very scientific test, but... )

Originally Posted by mdesai_1981

hi guys,
i saw a full range of STP fuel aaditives range there.
...
shld i switch over to stp? is it better than iftex?

There's this Fifth-Gear episode where they put the claims of the additive makers to test - if I remember correct, the overwhelming result was negative. You can find the video on YouTube & you could also visit the following URLs for a concise treatment of the whole thing.

0. Car maintenance bibles: Oil Additives
1. Car Bibles : The Engine Oil Bible

I'm not sure how much of this additive thing is mental, sort of like a placebo effect. I was big fan of MotorUp when it was available, in fact I was recommending it to everybody I knew (we all know how that turned out !).

I have to admit though that when I started using System-G, my engine did feel smoother & easier to rev. What we need is an independent verification, but I guess that's the whole point of this thread

[dadu]

Originally Posted by SLK

I guess thats only for US! Indian conditions are much more demanding

I agree here the environment itself is more stressing and along with the fuel quality it doubles up.

I have now started believing in detergent based additives used for cleaning the carbon deposits and they definitely help the engine performance. I briefly wrote about their usage here (The Tata Safari 2.2L technical/Other problems/solutions Thread).

You can well imagine, if they are used worldover and help under those conditions, then they are pretty much required here.

Like System D, BG additives are now approved by even Maruti, although the disti is having tough time selling it to the dealers due to lack of knowledge/ awareness amongst consumers and thats another story altogether.

Marketing is the biggest issue for these additives, including system D.