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Old 26th January 2008, 12:06   #46
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My Ford ikon has the power steering. It only works when we start the car. This is not the case in my previous vehicle (Wagon R Lxi). The PS used to work even when the engine is switched off. Any particular reasons?

Err.... the PS on my WagR Lxi works only if the engine is on. What are YOU missing?
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AFAIK, Ikon has a hydraulic PS hence it needs the engine to be on for that to work. I dunno about WagonR but what I read in brochures, mentioned that it had EPS.

In your case unless the PS is continuously on be being connected directly to the battery, no other reason could be attributed for the PS to be working even if the engine is switched off.

Maybe this has been done so as to assist steering in the event of a breakdown and the vehicle is being towed. But as the WagonR is such a light vehicle, even if the PS doesn't work it should be easily [FONT='Times New Roman']maneuverable.[/FONT]

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My Ford ikon has the power steering. It only works when we start the car. This is not the case in my previous vehicle (Wagon R Lxi). The PS used to work even when the engine is switched off. Any particular reasons?

Also, my ford ikon feels a lot sturdy when driving on a highway than the Wagon R when I will be doing 100+ kmph while driving WagonR if a slight turn of steering wheel, the vehicle used to drift sideways.
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Old 26th January 2008, 12:37   #48
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Err.... the PS on my WagR Lxi works only if the engine is on. What are YOU missing?
Mine was 2002 model. Don't know why this worked even with ignition off. Maybe earlier models might have had it. Dunno if i'm missing some thing here.
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Anyways, the only place I try the steering with engine off is my home, where it is parked in open, ordinary sand (no concrete, no tar). It is very difficult here with the engine off; but with engine even idling, it is butter smooth.
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I have a 2004 model LXi with EPS, no the PS is not on with engine off.
One more thing i would like to add, without PS this car is a pain. I have driven Indica DLE (which is without PS), and i would say a non-PS WagonR is only around 10% lighter compared to it. That is, not as light as one might think.
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I really don't know much on the maintaince issue, since both my cars have done 71,000 and 24,800 KM respectively( Lancer and XETA) with minimal drop in the Oil levels.

Both steering feel lighter when touching 100 +, but the lancer feels much stable comparitively at those speeds.

Indica and Lancer are Both HPS.
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I have driven both types, a santro xing xg (HPS) and a wagonr vxi (EPS). Personally I feel HPS is much more responsive & fun to drive. ( used to take my hands off the steering wheel on straight lines while driving santro) sorry very dangerous! but did not have the same confidence in the wagonr. also i noticed that with hps turns can be made very easily just by a single stroke on the steering. With EPS, the same turn takes two full rotations of the steering wheel. ( feels disconnected somehow ).
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HPS feels much more stable than EPS. Thats my 2 cents.
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EPS is ok, possibly better for city driving, but for high speeds and the highway, hydraulics give a better feel and control
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Old 18th March 2009, 09:50   #55
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I Just got my i10 serviced yesterday ( 2nd Free service ). Just before i picked up the car from the Hyundai service center the service engineer gave me a tip about EPS on i10 which i never knew.

As per him if i make a full tight turn and hold the steering wheel in the end position for more than 3 min the EPS would get disabled for the next 30 Mts.

Seems like its a precautionary measure taken to prevent the EPS motor from getting damaged.
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Apologies for this very basic question.

What do we mean when we say 'feel the steering' at various speeds? Are we talking about the way steering wheel behaves when we go over a pothole at high speed? Or is it the vibrations felt in the steering wheel when driving? When I go over a pothole, the steering wheel tends to wobble and i have to ensure that I control it to maintain a straight line. Is this what we mean by feel?
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EPS is ok, possibly better for city driving, but for high speeds and the highway, hydraulics give a better feel and control
But, HPS put a little strain on engine and I've never heard any accidents due to EPS !
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Steering feel is mostly about feedback. You should be able to know when you're at the limit of grip, what the suspension is doing etc through the steering. HPS has this connected feel to it, while EPS are very much disconnected.

Not everyone goes road/track racing in their car, so EPS' in-city ease of use is adequate for just about everyone. God knows I've wished for an EPS when I'm coming back from the gym when my hands don't have power assist...
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I agree with you Immortalz, specially on the gym point but HPS is so much more fun, specially when you're taking corners hard.
I own the altura(HPS) and the swift(EPS) and the former has a much better feel about it, though i agree it can give problems, in my case it has.
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People,

Apologies for this very basic question.

What do we mean when we say 'feel the steering' at various speeds? Are we talking about the way steering wheel behaves when we go over a pothole at high speed? Or is it the vibrations felt in the steering wheel when driving? When I go over a pothole, the steering wheel tends to wobble and i have to ensure that I control it to maintain a straight line. Is this what we mean by feel?
Yes. Those are few of the aspects that come under the feel.

The feel is something like this: When you drive, your wheels feel the road, and experience certain forces - like say when the road is tilted/sloping, wet, sandy/gravelly, pot holed.
When you twist your steering, the wheels turn, and face some resistance from the ground.

All these forces are more strongly felt by the wheel when it is stationary or slow.

So anything that your wheels experience, if that can be transmitted to steering wheel, so that you as a driver can also experience it - that construes the FEEL.

Now mostly in EPS it is observed that it feels dead. Its almost like those arcade racing games you play. There is a floating feeling, no resistance coming from the steering.
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