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Old 10th December 2008, 23:56   #121
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A year ago, i harassed the life outta a towing "walla" to teach me how to open cars with a scale and i finally mastered the art for my cars atleast. So i buy an extra long metal scale in my car for emergency purposes.
And as murphy's law goes, the day i locked the keys in my car, i realised that the scale was in the car as well!!!

Fortunately, i had parked in my compound and just went home and got the keys, but DUH!!!

So, where to keep this handy scale? any bright ideas?
Forget the scale. I have managed to lock both keys inside my car. Actually not me but a fiend of mine. The battery on one remote died and I was using the spare. The original was in my laptop bag waiting for a battery replacement. My friend goes for a test drive, removes the key from the ignition and keeps it in the door pocket without realizing the doors will lock automatically and the windows will wind up when the doors lock. So now both keys are inside the car and the car has locked down. The good thing is that the swift is not easy to open from outside at all. We even tried to remove the window beadings and they would just not budge. I had almost resigned to the fact that we would have to break the rear quarter glass. We called up a couple of dealers to find out if the glass was in stock before we broke open this one. Unfortunately it was not available with anybody. So finally called Maruti 24 hour helpline. Those guys came and opened the car in 5 minutes flat. But the procedure to open the swift (especially ZXi)from outside is damn complicated and it cannot be done without setting of the burglar siren. This episode started at 6 in the evening and ended at 1 in the morning. The best part was that the 24 hour helpline guys did not charge me a single paise as the vehicle was under extended warranty. But out of goodwill we still gave them 100 bucks. After all they came at midnight to help me out of a problem.
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Old 11th December 2008, 01:49   #122
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Forget the scale. I have managed to lock both keys inside my car. Actually not me but a fiend of mine. The battery on one remote died and I was using the spare. The original was in my laptop bag waiting for a battery replacement. My friend goes for a test drive, removes the key from the ignition and keeps it in the door pocket without realizing the doors will lock automatically and the windows will wind up when the doors lock. So now both keys are inside the car and the car has locked down. The good thing is that the swift is not easy to open from outside at all. We even tried to remove the window beadings and they would just not budge. I had almost resigned to the fact that we would have to break the rear quarter glass. We called up a couple of dealers to find out if the glass was in stock before we broke open this one. Unfortunately it was not available with anybody. So finally called Maruti 24 hour helpline. Those guys came and opened the car in 5 minutes flat. But the procedure to open the swift (especially ZXi)from outside is damn complicated and it cannot be done without setting of the burglar siren. This episode started at 6 in the evening and ended at 1 in the morning. The best part was that the 24 hour helpline guys did not charge me a single paise as the vehicle was under extended warranty. But out of goodwill we still gave them 100 bucks. After all they came at midnight to help me out of a problem.
A similar incident happened with my patient quite a few years ago. They somehow managed to lock their 7series BMW keys in the boot. And they were 300kms from home. So they thought, what the hell, we anyways own the BMW showroom in our city, let's just break the rear quarter glass. This caused the car to go into a "lockdown" with all brakes being applied, all electronics shutting off and car being untowable. When they called their service center, the chief engineer nearly tore his head off!!! Car had to lifted and trucked back to the workshop and even though they were the owners, they were shocked to find out the damages to replace the "lockdown' circuits! Imagine an antitheft mechanism causing so much damage! No wonder cops never tow away imports.

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Sorry for the late update guys.
Phone line had gone kaput so no Internet.

Unlocked the car with the spare key.
didnt try the scale method on the rear doors.(beading on front doors was too hard so thought of not to take it out).
mobile method failed as usual.


Unlocked it after 18 hrs,music was still playing.
Turned off the ignition took the key out first.
turned it on and thank god I heard fuel pump sound and cranked the engine.it was a very weak crank but somehow the car started


Went out and got 2 more spare keys
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Old 11th December 2008, 11:03   #124
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The good thing is that the swift is not easy to open from outside at all. We even tried to remove the window beadings and they would just not budge. I had almost resigned to the fact that we would have to break the rear quarter glass.
Rightly said. A friend of mine with lots of breaking open experiences (only his and friends cars ) behind his name gave up with my Swift after struggling for an hour or so
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Hi Just wanted to share the experience of unlocking i10 (with factory fitted default central locking) with the key locked inside. I did it a week back with some telephonic support from Hyundai helpline as I was stuck far away from civilization.
So the basics first – scale doesn’t work –you would have seen its not a “pop” lock - infact you may actually damage the mechanism by plonking down at a few sensitive place – you have to get/make a “J” shaped wire. A probable best in class device looks like this, however take a wire clothes hanger and straighten the bends to get the same thing:
Ever locked a car with the keys inside?-tool.jpg
Next, the beading on the side of i10 has a screw – but carefully you can pull out the beading – the screw will not be a problem. Be careful to pull it out straight up – not sideways. Sideways movement is needed once and only once to start the job. Once done, use your mobile light to check inside – essentially what we are trying to do it to pull away the lock lever from the lock which the key turns to simulate the same movement (you can see the tool rod trying to pull up the same in picture).
Ever locked a car with the keys inside?-pulling-out.jpg

Pull up and sideways a bit and you should be done in about 15-20 minutes – you should land up with this picture (internally)
Ever locked a car with the keys inside?-disengaged.jpg
Once done, the car unlocks – but you now have a different problem – central locking wont work although all locks except the driver’s lock that you disengaged can be individually locked. If you are security conscious, you will now have to fix what you broke – so get your screwdiver out and remove about 7 screws from inside of the door so that the plastic panel attached to door is completely off. Unplug the electrical from power windows to door panel. The Mirror controls don’t have a screw but have to be pulled out. One of the screws is on the utility holder on the arm rest as well.
Once the panel is off, peel off the plastic sheet cover which is glued to do the door frame – but only at the part where locking mechanism is present, rehook the lever to yellow latch- check whether the locking works. Plastic sheet can be pasted back again – and then re-screw all the stuff. The plastic panel is not very heavy so one person can do everything.
A warning though - Try and get a spare key if you don’t have one – too much fiddling around with this delicate plastic levers can break it, and no chance of locking that door then. The material seems to be cheap type of plastic.
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Hi Just wanted to share the experience of unlocking i10 (with factory fitted default central locking) with the key locked inside. I did it a week back with some telephonic support from Hyundai helpline as I was stuck far away from civilization.
Nice detailed write up. However, i don't think we should have so much details posted on an open forum about how to unlock a car.

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Nice detailed write up. However, i don't think we should have so much details posted on an open forum about how to unlock a car...
not the kind of information that we would want, especially since it can be mis-used!
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Thieves already know it. Its for the benefit of uninitiated members on this forum, that such a thing is indeed possible.
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However, i don't think we should have so much details posted on an open forum about how to unlock a car.

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Thieves already know it. Its for the benefit of uninitiated members on this forum, that such a thing is indeed possible.
Instead adzegeek can say, "Guys i found a have to open the i10 when i locked the keys. PM me if you are in the same situation."
Then atleast there is less info floating about and you know whom the info has gone to due to the PM.
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Leave the post alone. Good information in these hard times !
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I doubt any thieves will have any learning experience from such posts. They are much more hitec. Moreover why would a thief deal with such circus. They usually break glass and move away with stereo etc.,
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while I am not in career of opening car locks, I have had to do three such operations all in all - the last one I took photos.

why did I do the post - What was bothersome - I saw people using scale and desparately trying to hit at everything and anything without realizing whats inside or damaging the beading, scratching glasses - thought a little bit of insight and a potential saving of INR 250 (thats what you will pay Hyundai Helpline for the job, if they can get it open - story has it that one of the dealer helpline has failed in many such attempts in Hyd) will help a few more people. I only got a free soft drink for helping out, through ;-)

Even after 3 such successful attempts, the end to end operation never finished in <40 minutes - I doubt thieves will have this much time

@Tejas: Point Taken: will do the PM thing if I find something similar
I wouldnt mind the post being moved out - not that I can do it anymore, so up to the mod.
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And those of you end up doing it in a Hyundai Getz PM me and I'll tell you how to open it. It happened to my friend on a highway trip at night.
Onlookers tried to help using the beading method, ruler etc but of no avail.
Finally a smart person told him to break the rear quarterglass as it is the cheapest to replace! My friend politely refused. A small crowd had gathered by then
Finally a Hyundai guy landed up and opened it in 10-15 minutes! And all this was RIGHT OPPOSITE A POLICE STATION and none of the cops seemed to bother that people were trying to pry open a parked car!!
My friend then ended up with the same problem thrice and successfully opened the locked car.
Once he managed to even lock the car with the engine running and the music system on! It took him upto an hour to get it open but it worked all three times.
All it takes is a long screwdriver!
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Have locked the keys inside twice - once in our '85 M800 and the other time in our '99 M800. With the latter it was easy - use a screwdriver to remove the quarterglass at the rear and use the opening to open rear door.

With the older M800, it was tougher because there is no quarter glass. So, had to use the help of someone who knew the beading-and-scale method.

Lessons learnt :

1) Always lock door ONLY with the key. Avoid locking door by clicking the lock in place first and then shutting the door with the handle pulled out. Have been following this ever since.

2) Always carry spare key in the wallet. Was easy with the M800s because the key was flat and all metal type and thus easy to keep in wallet. No longer possible with Baleno because the key has this thick rubber at the non-opening end, which does not allow keeping it in the coin pocket of wallet. But since I stick to rule-1, no issues.

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@ SB - OT Love you Signature - very true of how the weather has changed here - Vellore was 40 Degrees yesterday it seems, we have just reached March dunno how April & May would be
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