Ikonic Troubles - Team-BHP

wolfinstein · 18th March 2007, 11:06

Hi Guys,

One of my friends has a Ford Ikon Sxi 1.6(2004) which has covered 50K.

The car is having some weird issues- One fine day the radiator system gave up and Burst, Got that changed, The advisor also said that the Alternator needs to be changed ( He explain why and My friend just paid up), Then Sometime later the Ignition Coil was replaced and after all this-

He now is having Delayed Start in the mornings ( For an MPFI car I think its quite unheard of) and Even with 10- 15 Selfs the car refuses to start, He drives down to South City Ford-Where all the other services have been done and The Advisor claims Something is wrong with one of the Cylinders..What could it be guys..!

and Just incase the Diagnoses is correct for the cylinder, What all will be done to the Engine..!

No Check Engine Error.
Regular Service.
Self-Driven.

danlalan · 18th March 2007, 11:14

Problem with one of the cylinders...wht does he mean by that..and how does he come to such a conclusion...Ignition coil is a problem with all ikons..iam getting used to it now...my ikons ignition coil has been changed for the 2nd time.....Delayed start..could you describe more on this...Could be the starter..

wolfinstein · 18th March 2007, 11:21

Says First Cylinder is showing lower compression,But no loss in power or pickup when running.

Starter and Ignition coil have been changed..!

Ford Rocam · 18th March 2007, 11:31

Quote:

wolfinstein;393696]Hi Guys,

One of my friends has a Ford Ikon Sxi 1.6(2004) which has covered 50K.

The car is having some weird issues- One fine day the radiator system gave up and Burst, Got that changed, The advisor also said that the Alternator needs to be changed ( He explain why and My friend just paid up), Then Sometime later the Ignition Coil was replaced and after all this-

i dont see any reason to change Ignition Coil & alternator if problem is with radiator why they have changed it???

Quote:

He now is having Delayed Start in the mornings ( For an MPFI car I think its quite unheard of) and Even with 10- 15 Selfs the car refuses to start, He drives down to South City Ford-Where all the other services have been done and The Advisor claims Something is wrong with one of the Cylinders..What could it be guys..!
and Just incase the Diagnoses is correct for the cylinder, What all will be done to the Engine..!
No Check Engine Error.
Regular Service.
Self-Driven.

Nothing doing to the engine now, get your fuel supply checked first especially the fuel pump motor & clogged fuel filter.

I wont be surprised if they have changed good parts with bad one during fixing your radiator.

wolfinstein · 18th March 2007, 11:39

But if the fuel line is choked, The supply would be restricted to all the Injector would'nt it..!

I also suspected one of the Injectors, He is on his way to the Center as I write...So Will let you all know what service center has now advised..!

wolfinstein · 19th March 2007, 18:12

Ok here is the latest,

The service center says the Head will be changed for the Engine, 2 bolts required, Head Gasket..!

Can someone list me where can i source spares for the Ikon..!

@ Arush- I don't have the address for your garage, Is it possible to come meet up for the case.

Anything else that can be done..!

gr8guzzler · 19th March 2007, 18:50

Did your friend drive the vehicle for a longtime when the radiator had conked off?

he will be staring down at a 40-50K bill if he needs to replace the head.

elf · 19th March 2007, 18:51

This sounds like pure & utter bullsh!t from the dealer / 'Service Advisor'. Please take the car to autopsyche or somebody you trust & have a thorough checkup done.

Absar · 19th March 2007, 19:25

Wooooow! Replacing the engine head would cost that much?? OMG!

elf · 19th March 2007, 19:39

Methinks the only thing you should replace is your 'Service Advisor'.

Ford Rocam · 19th March 2007, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfinstein

Ok here is the latest,

The service center says the Head will be changed for the Engine, 2 bolts required, Head Gasket..!

Can someone list me where can i source spares for the Ikon..!

@ Arush- I don't have the address for your garage, Is it possible to come meet up for the case.

Anything else that can be done..!

On what basis is he saying the head needs to be changed? whats the estimate he has given???

Absar · 19th March 2007, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

Methinks the only thing you should replace is your 'Service Advisor'.

Good one elf!! I'd second that!!

-Absar

Ford Rocam · 19th March 2007, 22:03

Also ask him to do a compression test in front of you & if possible take a mechanic with you who knows about engine & compression test.

@ELF thats the first thing he should do... LOL

1100D · 19th March 2007, 22:28

Has a compression test been done on each of the cylinders?

There is no way compression in one of your cylinders could be bad, as in that case you will have the car not pulling smoothly when the engine is cold. Check for contamination of colant in your engine oil dipstick in the morning. My guess is that it is not going to be so.

Try simple injector cleaning.

wolfinstein · 19th March 2007, 22:35

Lol..! I really wish the poor guy had done that long ago..! Apparently there are only two Ford service stations in Delhi- This one being South City Ford.

The Head is found to be damaged and is opened up at the workshop- Current estimate is Close to 40 k, I have suggested my friend to take a second opinion..!

Yes he drove around 20- 30 kms without coolant, The radiator burst happened in Gurgaon and The needle for Temp C did not rise until he was parking at his home in Saket, After that he drove with Water to the Service Station. Got the Radiator replaced, Coolant and Alternator was adjusted and Thermostat was changed ( Alternator was not changed as mentioned earlier).

Now lets see what happens ahead...!

BTW can a head be repaired in any case ?

The Only surprise is that the Car runs fine, Just the way Josh machine should..But when it does not crank in the mornings with a Cold engine...It becomes a Joke Machine

18th March 2007, 11:06	#1 (permalink)
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 951	Ikonic Troubles Hi Guys, One of my friends has a Ford Ikon Sxi 1.6(2004) which has covered 50K. The car is having some weird issues- One fine day the radiator system gave up and Burst, Got that changed, The advisor also said that the Alternator needs to be changed ( He explain why and My friend just paid up), Then Sometime later the Ignition Coil was replaced and after all this- He now is having Delayed Start in the mornings ( For an MPFI car I think its quite unheard of) and Even with 10- 15 Selfs the car refuses to start, He drives down to South City Ford-Where all the other services have been done and The Advisor claims Something is wrong with one of the Cylinders..What could it be guys..! and Just incase the Diagnoses is correct for the cylinder, What all will be done to the Engine..! No Check Engine Error. Regular Service. Self-Driven. __________________ " When was the last time, You did something for the first time " Last edited by wolfinstein : 18th March 2007 at 11:08.

18th March 2007, 11:14	#2 (permalink)
danlalan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mumbai,JUHU Posts: 1,065 View My Garage	Problem with one of the cylinders...wht does he mean by that..and how does he come to such a conclusion...Ignition coil is a problem with all ikons..iam getting used to it now...my ikons ignition coil has been changed for the 2nd time.....Delayed start..could you describe more on this...Could be the starter.. __________________ 2008 DRIVERS CHAMPIONSHIP - LEWIS HAMILTON 2008 CONSTRUCTORS C'SHIP - McLAREN MERCEDES

18th March 2007, 11:21	#3 (permalink)
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 951	Says First Cylinder is showing lower compression,But no loss in power or pickup when running. Starter and Ignition coil have been changed..! __________________ " When was the last time, You did something for the first time "

18th March 2007, 11:39	#5 (permalink)
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 951	But if the fuel line is choked, The supply would be restricted to all the Injector would'nt it..! I also suspected one of the Injectors, He is on his way to the Center as I write...So Will let you all know what service center has now advised..! __________________ " When was the last time, You did something for the first time "

19th March 2007, 18:12	#6 (permalink)
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 951	Ok here is the latest, The service center says the Head will be changed for the Engine, 2 bolts required, Head Gasket..! Can someone list me where can i source spares for the Ikon..! @ Arush- I don't have the address for your garage, Is it possible to come meet up for the case. Anything else that can be done..! __________________ " When was the last time, You did something for the first time "

19th March 2007, 18:50	#7 (permalink)
gr8guzzler BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 478 View My Garage	Did your friend drive the vehicle for a longtime when the radiator had conked off? he will be staring down at a 40-50K bill if he needs to replace the head. __________________ Kishore

19th March 2007, 18:51	#8 (permalink)
elf BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 899 View My Garage	This sounds like pure & utter bullsh!t from the dealer / 'Service Advisor'. Please take the car to autopsyche or somebody you trust & have a thorough checkup done. Last edited by elf : 19th March 2007 at 18:52.

19th March 2007, 19:25	#9 (permalink)
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 552 View My Garage	Wooooow! Replacing the engine head would cost that much?? OMG! __________________ Ford Ikon 1.6 Nxt ZXi, 2005 I cried because I had no VTEC, until I met a person who had no 1.6 ROCAM.

19th March 2007, 19:39	#10 (permalink)
elf BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 899 View My Garage	Methinks the only thing you should replace is your 'Service Advisor'.

19th March 2007, 22:03	#13 (permalink)
Ford Rocam Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai-India Posts: 959	Also ask him to do a compression test in front of you & if possible take a mechanic with you who knows about engine & compression test. @ELF thats the first thing he should do... LOL __________________ Cheap and reliable wont be fast, cheap and fast wont be reliable, reliable and fast wont be cheap.

19th March 2007, 22:28	#14 (permalink)
1100D Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 2,410 View My Garage	Has a compression test been done on each of the cylinders? There is no way compression in one of your cylinders could be bad, as in that case you will have the car not pulling smoothly when the engine is cold. Check for contamination of colant in your engine oil dipstick in the morning. My guess is that it is not going to be so. Try simple injector cleaning. __________________ ________________________ Every Ferrari is always a Fiat

19th March 2007, 22:35	#15 (permalink)
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 951	Lol..! I really wish the poor guy had done that long ago..! Apparently there are only two Ford service stations in Delhi- This one being South City Ford. The Head is found to be damaged and is opened up at the workshop- Current estimate is Close to 40 k, I have suggested my friend to take a second opinion..! Yes he drove around 20- 30 kms without coolant, The radiator burst happened in Gurgaon and The needle for Temp C did not rise until he was parking at his home in Saket, After that he drove with Water to the Service Station. Got the Radiator replaced, Coolant and Alternator was adjusted and Thermostat was changed ( Alternator was not changed as mentioned earlier). Now lets see what happens ahead...! BTW can a head be repaired in any case ? The Only surprise is that the Car runs fine, Just the way Josh machine should..But when it does not crank in the mornings with a Cold engine...It becomes a Joke Machine __________________ " When was the last time, You did something for the first time " Last edited by wolfinstein : 19th March 2007 at 22:40.

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