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Old 26th March 2007, 22:41   #1
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Unhappy Engine HEAD replacement- URGENT

Hey guys,

Last friday was coming back home when suddenly the temperature
indicator of my palio shot up to max. Checked under the hood and
realised that the coolant drained out and the coolant container was
absolutely empty. Managed to fill in water with the engine running at
regular intervals to maintain optimum temperature and got the car

Next morning checked out under the hood and realised that there was a
small leakage near the altenator and water from the coolant container
was leaking from there. Managed to take the car to SHAMAN AUTO after
speaking to service advisor there, who also advised me to keep topping
up the car with water with the engine running and maintain optimum

At first was told that the water pump had given away and would have to
be replaced. But when they opened up the engine, they found that the
engine head had a small hole on the side near the timing belt and
would need REPLACEMENT. (which costs a pocket burning 28,000 bux +

When my dad went to check out the car at the service center, he was
quite shocked as to how an engine head could give away in such a short
period of time(3 years). Furthermore, what could be the reason for the
hole to be created unless there was some porosity in the casting. The
complete engine as such is in perfect normal working condition, can be
switched off / on without any problems and there is no leakage in the
piston / valve etc. It is only the external wall of the head
watercooling line that has given away due to a small hole.

Planning to write to the guys @ FIAT to replace the head under
warranty as it seems that there is a defect in the casting by way pf a
porosity in the casting. Furthermore, the car has always been serviced
and maintained at SHAMAN Auto ONLY through AMC.

Need your opinions regarding the same guys ASAP as the car is stuck at
SHAMAN Auto without any progress. Your support in the matter will be
highly appreciated.


Mohit S

Palio 1.2 EL/ Mar'04/ 69000km/ Bombay
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Old 26th March 2007, 23:00   #2
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Is the head not covered under the AMC? I think you should go ahead and write to FIAT as this clearly seems to be a manufacturing defect.

Good Luck!
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Old 26th March 2007, 23:33   #3
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having an engine head issue in three years is insane,after the car being serviced only at shaman,I'd say write to fiat and make sure you're not in for a pocket dent.
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Old 26th March 2007, 23:39   #4
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The hole is because of engine overheating. Its not the cause of overheating but infact its the result of overheating. Not sure if its covered under warranty. So it does not matter if a car is 3 years old or 3 months old. If overheated and mistakenly neglected this could be outcome of any engine.
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First of all it seems to be a mfg defect, overheating cannot cause a hole in metal unless metal being very thin & brittle at certain point , as the case suggests.

If overheating is there, then the pressurised coolant-vapour will try to escape from weaker areas, like hoses & seals, morever there is a pressure escape valve on top of radiator, so do not assume it to be damaged by overheating.

It seems to be a MFG defect & even if your waaranty/AMC is over FIAT ought to be replace the head free of cost, as it is not a case of regular wear & tear, neither of wrong operation, but clearly of mfg defect.

In the worst case if they dont do, you can get the problem fixed by good grade EPOXY sealants to rebuild you old HEAD, for as low as less than RS500/-, but take strict stand & ask for compensation against delay in work too.

You can move to consumer forum too gainst Mgf defect, Just take wriiten adive from a competent workshop to support your case.

best of luck

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Old 28th March 2007, 13:25   #6
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Its a cause of overheating.. and one is driving over an extented period of time in such conditions...when there isnt a way to cool the engine... you can write to Fiat.. but i dont think so.. they would entertain overheating issues...
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Old 6th June 2007, 19:26   #7
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Still havent got any reply from the folks @ FIAT. posted the complaint on their website twice but to no avail. Crappy customer service.(they dont even have an email id for complaining to the concerned department. all you can do is post comments on the help desk section of the website. )

The guys @ SHAMAN did a


Car is back and has run 5000 km(including 2 long drives From mumbai - pune ) without any problems. But still am pissed with this attitude and am sceptical about the long term reliability.



Palio 1.2 EL/ Mar'04/75,263 km
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Doubt if they will entertain your complaint as the problem cropped up only after the coolant dried up and engine overheated. Difficult to fight it out too.
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I think you blew the gasket and scarred the head mating face.
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