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Old 20th April 2007, 00:28   #196
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Im talking about D15 and D16 engines here.
Because we were discussing the power gains to be had with a header in a D16(old gen civic) and if the same should be expected in a D15 (OHC)

So if its the suspension which you have pointed out, you may be right abt that, i wouldn't argue on that.
But I had posted this earlier in context of the headers on d15/D16 and gains on the dyno.
BOSS, those dyno charts were put up because ananth wanted to see dyno charts of header gains. Those dyno charts were also not of the same set of headers that V1P3R was talking about. Lets just leave it at that now, please. It's getting really tiring to read about the same topic over and over and over again.
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Im talking about D15 and D16 engines here.
Because we were discussing the power gains to be had with a header in a D16(old gen civic) and if the same should be expected in a D15 (OHC)
I read it as 12bhp gains on A 1.6L (v1p3r's post) and not D16 or D15 specific if I remember right ..
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Old 20th April 2007, 00:35   #198
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BOSS, those dyno charts were put up because ananth wanted to see dyno charts of header gains. Those dyno charts were also not of the same set of headers that V1P3R was talking about. Lets just leave it at that now, please. It's getting really tiring to read about the same topic over and over and over again.
yes Im repeating again and again because in this post I would like to clear out a point.
but no one has even agreed to this even once.
can we start by concluding that 12 bhp gain on a stock D15 is not attainable with headers?
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Old 20th April 2007, 00:37   #199
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I read it as 12bhp gains on A 1.6L (v1p3r's post) and not D16 or D15 specific if I remember right ..
Dude the 1.6 engine engine was a D16 if you look at the dyno charts.
its clearly mentioned below every dyno chart that the engine is a modded D16

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Old 20th April 2007, 00:49   #200
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You've missed headers. I've seen them give upto 12 bhp on 1.6 litre engines.
Third post on this thread says this .. Where there is NO mention of D16 or D15 ...

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On the bum dyno?

No seriously, did you see it on the dyno or seat of the pants?
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Dyno chart printout.
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can you post the link or something.
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Don't have it, sorry.
This is post number 8 on this thread ..

The links to the dyno charts came out on post 17 by Ported .. Until then there was NO MENTION of a D15 or a D16 .. Kindly read the intial posts and post actual facts .. Akshay wasnt referring to the link put up by priyank , nor the honda engines in discussion here ..

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Old 20th April 2007, 01:57   #201
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Third post on this thread says this .. Where there is NO mention of D16 or D15 ...



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This is post number 8 on this thread ..

The links to the dyno charts came out on post 17 by Ported .. Until then there was NO MENTION of a D15 or a D16 .. Kindly read the intial posts and post actual facts .. Akshay wasnt referring to the link put up by priyank , nor the honda engines in discussion here ..
here we go again, (ported_head dude, Im sorry for repeating again)

so here is the missing part.

step 1
statement made
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You've missed headers. I've seen them give upto 12 bhp on 1.6 litre engines.
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good question asked if there is proof of this ?
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can you post the link or something.
step 3
link posted quoting "ananths" query abt the dyno gains.so if you quote someones question and say here is the link to your question...what does that mean ?
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can you post the link or something.
Here is a link showing comparisons for some D series engine headers, they have dyno charts for some of the headers. Some make 10 whp peak. Of course dynos can be manipulated...
D-Series Header Comparison

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my comments in response to the link abt d16 posted were as below.
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ok..
lets go through each chart one by one ..and lets assume the Dyno is not manipulated for this..
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guys what u think ? can we directly relate to those dyno readouts to ur stock Honda engines ? also dyno charts of same engine with JDM or USDM ECU cannot be same for our Indian ECU..
I was saying dont expect so much gain in OHC by looking at those dynos becoz they are for a modded D16.

I have nothing more to say

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Kindly read the intial posts and post actual facts
I just did that, and I think you are trying to manipulate the facts.

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Old 20th April 2007, 03:21   #202
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Ok this thread is for clearing out doubts/misconcepts abt most common boltons, etc etc which are used by BHPIans and feel they make +x amt of BHP
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If you are a noob start reading from here...
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I've heard lots of ppl saying how they have "modded" their "ride" and are making the extra BHP or handling better which some of us cant figure out how.. probably becoz they are not making that extra BHP
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some mods may be useful but at what level of tune the engine should be to actually make a difference is what this thread will cover !!
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Guys this is an awesome thread for clearing doubts about common boltons. Mucho appreciated

But i kinda think that this thread has drifted somewhat from what it was originally meant for ...

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/407568-post9.html
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/407671-post14.html
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/407773-post18.html
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/409938-post77.html
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Old 20th April 2007, 04:58   #203
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Guys this is an awesome thread for clearing doubts about common boltons. Mucho appreciated
But i kinda think that this thread has drifted somewhat from what it was originally meant for ...
Which parts have drifted off ?
The mods have done a good job of deleting the chit and arguments..
and there are bound to be differences on stuff like this, everyone's got to put forward what they have in their heads and discuss it.If we just type in stuff without other peoples opinions will it be a discussion forum anymore ?
the extra stuff can always be deleted to make it concise after the dust settles.

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Old 20th April 2007, 08:34   #204
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karthik,

in response to your question. i meant fuel flow is limited by jet size at a given air mass-flow. In other words, the jet will flow at peak flow rate when the air mass-flow is maximum. the jet will not respond to a higher air mass-flow by increasing its fuel flow because its already flowing at maximum. thats why you have to re-jet. even if its a small change like one size (+2.5 or +5) its necessary to run at optimum.


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chetan just let it go man. how about spending more time on contributing something useful.

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Old 20th April 2007, 12:29   #205
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I think Fuelled is right.

The thread started out fine, then somebody said 'Honda'.

Let the darned Honda discussion take a toss guys - No more D16s, B16s or F16s. Let's just discuss generic bolt-on mods here, not engine swaps or JDM / Thai / USDM spec engines if you really want to clear doubts & create an FAQ.

Else, change the name of the thread.

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I think Fuelled is right.

The thread started out fine, then somebody said 'Honda'.

Let the darned Honda discussion take a toss guys - No more D16s, B16s or F16s. Let's just discuss generic bolt-on mods here, not engine swaps or JDM/Thai/USDM spec engines if you really want to clear doubts & create an FAQ.

Else, change the name of the thread.
Ya, I agree Elf. This thread was fine for a while. Now I'm like 'duh' !!
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Old 23rd April 2007, 01:44   #207
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chetan just let it go man. how about spending more time on contributing something useful.
ananth dude what are you talking about ?
my contribution so far on this thread are as below :
1] TB spacers bolton ..
2] CAI, air filter misconcepts
3] actual header gains
4] spark plug and wire misconcepts
5] exhaust and cam relationship while bolting on a new system

I was going to add loads of more stuff but then "header power gains" got this thread diverted, I had some more stuff but the most common misconcept of exhaust gains was still open...
Im surprised dude why you are saying if I havent contributed anything...

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I think this thread has served its purpose. We have debunked what has to be debunked. Maybe a few posts could be taken off, and this thread could be locked and turned into a sticky.
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I think this thread has served its purpose. We have debunked what has to be debunked. Maybe a few posts could be taken off, and this thread could be locked and turned into a sticky.
agree with everything ...
but can we leave it open for some more time instead of locking it ?
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you got me wrong. i was saying be done with the allegations and counter-allegations and move on with the important stuff. dont see why you need to bang your head about it.
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