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Old 5th January 2009, 22:09   #106
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sequential lpg injection kits have come in the market which have reliability, performance and long term durability more than diesel engines plus the much less pollution. The liquid phase sequential kit can enhance performance so much that the engine has to be detuned . this is because as the liquid lpg vaporises it produces an intense cooling effect in the intake manifold . these kits have there own ecu which piggy back on the vehicle ecu and controls the injection of fuel as with petrol injectors. they are longterm cost effective because they can be taken out and transferred to another vehicle because they do not require any major modification . The performance is as good on lpg as on petrol. worldwide lpg is a cleaner and much cheaper fuel than either petrol or diesel actually it is less than half the price. in India price of petrol and diesel are regulated and subsidized while lpg price goes by international market price and are revised every month therefore the difference is not so apparent . Technically speaking propane has also been considered by automobile engineers as the ideal fuel for internal combustion engine.
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my optra gives lpg average of 8.5 km/l with a/c on full load city and 13 kmpl with a/c full load highway. LPG price here is...
Hey ,
Yesterday on 9th Jn 09, had to drive to Pune. With most pumps on strike, i was lucky to get LPG at the Aegis at Panvel and Reliance outlet at Khopoli on the way back. LPG pumps didnt participate and there was no queue like some of the HP outlets.
Cost me Rs.28.95/ lit at panvel and rs.29.10/lit at Khopoli.
FE turned out 13.31km/lit at a almost constant 80/90 kmpl speed on the well maintained asphalt road. terrific ride to aundh & back. WINDOWS rolled down as the air is fresher and a little colder too.
Fuel cost per km Rs.2.18/ km
Aint that great my friend ?
My cottage getting completed in Lonavala , and our road trips bound to increase. i am looking forward to saving some fuel money !!!
Really ,Its payback time for LPG users now. Hope it remains stable for a yr.or so.
Govt. ought to give some subsidy for it or some tax benefit atleast.
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Old 11th January 2009, 01:23   #108
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auto lpg prices are not regulated by govt. they are determined on m + 1 method ie. the international price of lpg in jan 2009 are reflected in next month ( feb 2009 ) and are revised on the 1st of every month, this month the prices have gone up by $40 per tonne so maybe you will see a slight increase in prices next month.
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Old 12th January 2009, 18:43   #109
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auto lpg prices are not regulated by govt. they are determined on m + 1 method ie. the international price of lpg in jan 2009 are reflected in next month ( feb 2009 ) and are revised on the 1st of every month, this month the prices have gone up by $40 per tonne so maybe you will see a slight increase in prices next month.
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Thats one of the long term reliabilty issues of converting to LPG .
No way of knowing whether the pricing ll remain stable. usually its low this time in winter and the crude being low. It would have been no more than 24 /lit now.
The thing is the real benefit of LPG ll be seen only when the subsidy on PETROL / DIESEL & CNG is being lifted and the prices are at par with international market.
As of now no real lobby of LPG users or sellers , the end user of auto gas is hardly 'vote bank ' worth , and the pricing since most of it seems to be imported , is dependent on many factors like production , rupee depreciation against dollar etc.
At anything above Rs.34 /lit , LPg hardly translates into substantial savings overpetrol , unless you are doing 2/ 2.5k km a month or more
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Can someone update on the auto LPG prices in Bangalore currently?
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Can someone update on the auto LPG prices in Bangalore currently?
Check this link it gives prices of ioc products Indian Oil Corporation :: Auto Gas
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Can someone update on the auto LPG prices in Bangalore currently?
It is 31.03/litre, Saw the rate in one of the Lovato Gas Kit AD's on Times Of India.

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It is 31.03/litre, Saw the rate in one of the Lovato Gas Kit AD's on Times Of India.

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a friend of mine who has an LPG omni was thinking of getting a Xeta LPG/Santro ECO/Wagon R duo.

I'm trying to talk him into an indica DLS/vista TDi. apart from the fact that they are tata cars, Is there anything wrong with my advice to him?
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a friend of mine who has an LPG omni was thinking of getting a Xeta LPG/Santro ECO/Wagon R duo.

I'm trying to talk him into an indica DLS/vista TDi. apart from the fact that they are tata cars, Is there anything wrong with my advice to him?
There is nothing wrong in your advise even if they are 'Tata' cars IMHO.
Subsidy being lifted is a myth. If subsidy is lifted, they must reduce taxes to bring fuels to real international prices. Subsidy is just a round about concession in tax. After tax and Subsidy the prices in dollar terms are generally close to US pump prices. Only thing is that you earn in rupees here and that's painful. One more point, diesel subsidy is likely to continue. Also note even EU subsidises diesel.
Tata diesels are cheap to maintain and are rugged and trouble free.
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they are rugged and trouble free, but its their after sales that worries me. its not that great here.
the DLS may not be as refined , and the vista may not be as trouble free
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The Reliance LPG selling at Rs.28.61 in my town
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Recently completed a tankful to tankful on LPG and petrol on my Accent so that I could know about my savings

200 kms - 22 litres Petrol - 9.09 kmpl - Rs 5.5 per km
350 kms - 46 litres LPG - 7.6 kmpl - Rs 3.9 per km
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sequential lpg injection kits have come in the market which have reliability, performance and long term durability more than diesel engines plus the much less pollution. The liquid phase sequential kit can enhance performance so much that the engine has to be detuned .
Hi, can you suggest any such specific kit for the Lancer. If you are familiar with a good installation center for the same in Mumbai, that would be the icing. Can I use a toroidal tank that fits in the spare wheel well with a kit like this?

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Cost me Rs.28.95/ lit at panvel and rs.29.10/lit at Khopoli.
FE turned out 13.31km/lit at a almost constant 80/90 kmpl speed on the well maintained asphalt road. terrific ride to aundh & back. WINDOWS rolled down as the air is fresher and a little colder too.
Fuel cost per km Rs.2.18/ km
Which kit are you using? Is the performance on LPG good? Cost of kit.

Thanks in advance, guys.
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Which kit are you using? Is the performance on LPG good? Cost of kit.

Thanks in advance, guys.[/quote]

STAR GAS /FROM AARDING a closed loop setup with 'SURE' lambda feedback system . Performance has been great....

some points i have noted during the course of past 17 months or so during which the car clocked 22500 km about my experiences with LPG.
  • Needs some setting every 7500 km or so. i have been changing the plugs and even the plug wires with this interval. The FE and performance would start going down after every 6500.
  • FE otherwise imo is as good as it gets without any compromise on performance , there is no knocking and car pulls cleanly even on inclines when the petrol would have knocked its way to glory.
  • the use of LPG means that you tend to leave the petrol system in some amount of disuse..... leads to injector clogging etc more frequently .
  • the good performance and savings on fuel money and doing your little bit for the environment comes at some price as the alternate fuel or more correctly the unuse of the regular fuel ( i.e. petrol in this case ) is known to cause premature failures of the fuel pump, coil , fuel inectors, idle speed actuator solenoid and more frequent changes of air filters , plugs / plug wires etc.
  • though LPG is said to be clean burning fuel , throttle body servicing reveals quite a lot of carbon deposits. cant figure this out
  • Use of LPG does keep your engine oil in good condition with hardly any lubricity lost for the full oil drain period ( i change it in 5000/ 6000 km ). for my type of running the same oil on petrol use would have lost most of its service life.
  • about the cost - Rs.28500/- with RTO regst.
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