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Old 25th October 2010, 19:49   #151
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I got thugged with the same list. Except I refused 1 item and it came to Rs 4500.

I'd like to see how maintaining a Ford is more expensive than a Maruti. I guess Maruti is initially cheap and takes the rest of the payments a.k.a EMI though the service schedules like these.

Yes I'm pretty miffed.
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Old 25th October 2010, 20:18   #152
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I got gypped in my 40K service (engine oil additive, gear oil additive, wheels messing around and what not) and ended up with a bill of 7K, no discounts. Changed my MAS and ended up spending only 1400 on my 50K service. You have the choice- exercise it!
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Old 25th October 2010, 20:48   #153
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Engine Flush and decarbonising is all bull. Regular oil changes does the job.

Lazybrain@ Actually you did not get thugged except for engine flushing which was not needed everything is perfect. Every 20 thousand service is a major one and does cost a bit more.

Noopster@ Yes engine oil additive, gear oil additive and all is a waste of money, but your 50 thousand kilometer bill obviously would be lesser to the 40 thousand one because the 40 thousand one is a major service.
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Old 25th October 2010, 20:58   #154
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@humyum Can you please let me know what exactly i need to discuss with M.A.S.S guys when i am giving my car for 40K service. Idea is to exactly know what they are doing and i am aware that it is genuine. Will they be repeating the same thing that was done at 20K (if you can provide a checklist it would be helpful)? I also heard (in fact also myself experienced) that if you do wheel alignment/balancing outside of M.A.S.S they will do a better job.

I recently installed new tyres (Goodyear Duraplus) and the guy did my wheel balancing/alignment. I saw a more professional approach than M.A.S.S. Not only did they share the report but also briefed me on what exactly was wrong and what was done to correct the problem. This really impressed me!
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Old 26th October 2010, 20:43   #155
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@humyum Can you please let me know what exactly i need to discuss with M.A.S.S guys when i am giving my car for 40K service.
Dear lazybrain, all you need to do is refer to your owner's manual. Maruti would have outlined all the necessary maintenance work to be performed at the 40,000 kms major service. Look the chart up, it's that simple
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Old 26th October 2010, 20:54   #156
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Thats good humor of my handle, explains by itself - But not this time

I already did that exercise before posting and strange to believe but my Wagon R service manual does not have any checklist beyond 30,000 Kms. I was just wondering if M.A.S.S will do the same sort of tasks what they did when my car completed 20000 Kms.

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Old 27th October 2010, 02:08   #157
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Thats good humor of my handle, explains by itself - But not this time

I already did that exercise before posting and strange to believe but my Wagon R service manual does not have any checklist beyond 30,000 Kms. I was just wondering if M.A.S.S will do the same sort of tasks what they did when my car completed 20000 Kms.

Okay here goes for the 40 thousand service.

Gear Oil --> Replace
Brake Oil---> Replace
Engine Oil + Oil Filter Replace
Coolant--> Replace
Spark Plugs--> Replace
Retorque the suspension

Rest of it depends on what the condition of the car is, mostly everything should be perfect.

Don't fall for the decarbonising, additives kind of ride. They do nothing. Had the 800 from brand new 1998 model till 2007 end. Never got her decarbonised ever, just regular oil change every 5 thousand kilometers. At 85 thousand kilometers her engine compression was checked, it was still brilliant.

Alignment and balancing get it done from outside if your MASS is overcharging.
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Old 27th October 2010, 02:43   #158
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@humyum Thanks a ton! That was very helpful. This will give me some background when i discuss with M.A.S.S and i can protect myself from getting mugged again in a sophisticated way though.

Do you want me to consider following additional points? (i am currently not facing any problem though):
1. Transmission Oil/fluid
2. Power steering system (operation oil level, Leakage)
3. Battery electrolyte level - Leakage, Level etc.
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Old 27th October 2010, 12:12   #159
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Does skoda octavia clutch and brake system share same fluid?
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Old 27th October 2010, 13:16   #160
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I am not a DIY person - I find it rather difficult.
However, if I do need to check coolant levels, how easy or difficult is it?
(I own a Swift Petrol).

Is there a dipstick to check coolant levels? If the level is low, can I top it up & is this something which needs to be drained & refilled?

If it can be topped up, how do I figure out how much coolant I need & what are the specifications of the coolant I need to buy?

Any other caveats regarding the coolant?
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Old 27th October 2010, 16:15   #161
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It is very easy to check your coolant level.
Just pop the hood, look at your coolant tank & observe the level (No need to open anything). There are markings for "MIN" & "MAX". As long as your coolant level lies in between the two, your good & no action or topping up is required.

With regards to topping it up, like i said, you just have to make sure its in between the markings (topping will generally be uptil the MAX mark).

For the specifications of the coolant, check in your owners manual. It will be written in it.
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Old 27th October 2010, 16:59   #162
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Is there a separate thread for service to do list for the oil burners?
Have to ensure that the workshop does a complete job, as and when.

Regards, drive safe
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Old 27th October 2010, 17:09   #163
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Guys - My car is due for 40K service. Interestingly there is no checklist for 40K available in the manual. I just wanted to make sure what are the critical checkpoints for 40K service since during my 20K service these MASS people (Mandovi) thugged me for 6K stating that they did the following during my 20K service:

1. Oil and oil filter change
2. Wheel Balancing/Alignment
3. Spark plug change
4. Fuel injector cleaning
5. Coolant change
6. Brake oil change
7. Transmission oil change
8. Engine flushing

They also told me that same set of checks will be performed during 40K service which means these guys intimated me of thugging again well in advance.

I just wanted to make sure that i do a genuine service without getting cheated in their hands.

I would appreciate if any of experts in this area can guide me accurately so that when i ask these guys for detailing i would know exactly what they r up to?
typically, every 10k km, you NEED to change :

-oil filter
-air filter
-fuel filter

it is advisable that you change the engine oil and ask them to CHECK the brake filter..

about wheel alignment/balancing, I would strongly advise you to get it done from a tyre shop, ie. shops dealing exclusively with selling tyres, wheel alignment/balacing; since here you see them doing it yourself.. plus, they are specialists in it..

beyond 30k, almost without exception, you will run into a bill in excess of 6-7k since the filters and oils are expensive (even for maruti)..

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@humyum Thanks a ton! That was very helpful. This will give me some background when i discuss with M.A.S.S and i can protect myself from getting mugged again in a sophisticated way though.

Do you want me to consider following additional points? (i am currently not facing any problem though):
1. Transmission Oil/fluid
2. Power steering system (operation oil level, Leakage)
3. Battery electrolyte level - Leakage, Level etc.
about 1.) they would check it as a routine check.. although there might not be a checklist in the manual, certain jobs like filter, oil checks, brakes, transmission etc. are a part of their check during every service..

about the battery, is the battery a maintenance-free one (sealed, with no chamber openings) or the regular one?
in case it is regular battery, you could ask them to charge the battery.. this typically takes 24hrs, so be prepared to leave your car for a day or two..

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Old 27th October 2010, 20:25   #164
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@humyum Thanks a ton! That was very helpful. This will give me some background when i discuss with M.A.S.S and i can protect myself from getting mugged again in a sophisticated way though.

Do you want me to consider following additional points? (i am currently not facing any problem though):
1. Transmission Oil/fluid
2. Power steering system (operation oil level, Leakage)
3. Battery electrolyte level - Leakage, Level etc.
Hey in my last post 'Gear Oil' meant transmission oil. The old one should be entirely drained out and replaced with a new one every 20 thousand kilometers.

The power steering in the Wagon R is an 'Electronic Power steering', so nothing needs to be done in that.

Battery electrolyte level they check in every service anyway but won't harm if you remind them to.

Cheers
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It is very easy to check your coolant level.
Just pop the hood, look at your coolant tank & observe the level (No need to open anything). There are markings for "MIN" & "MAX". As long as your coolant level lies in between the two, your good & no action or topping up is required.

With regards to topping it up, like i said, you just have to make sure its in between the markings (topping will generally be uptil the MAX mark).

For the specifications of the coolant, check in your owners manual. It will be written in it.
Check the Swift manual - it just says "High Quality Ethylene Glycol based non silicate based coolant" - what do I ask for at the store? How much does it cost per litre?

Current level seems dangerously close to low. Don't know how it came down so much!
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