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Old 4th June 2014, 15:10   #76
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Bumping up an old post here. Did you get the compressor checked? How is it behaving now? I too have a 2001 MPFI Zen. The ac of the old Zen were known to be weak and mine's no different - it barely cools now. Showed it to an ac specialist and he said that the compressor is weak and will have to be replaced. How much did retrofitting the Sanden Compressor cost you? Which components other than the compressor were changed? Total damage? Any problems after the retrofit? I too am looking at retrofitting a >70cc Sanden as the original compressor (70cc Subros IIRC) was ineffective. Inputs would be helpful here.

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The compressor was retrofitted by the previous owner, cooling is quite adequate in the Delhi summers with a proper gas charge, although the Alto's ac is superior.

The previous owner said that when new, the OE Delphi compressor was much better, but it went bad in about 8 years. A replacement Delphi comp. was more costly, and it also has a bad reputation amongst mechanics, who claim it has poor reliability.

Check with a good ac service shop, the ubiquitous 507 has a new avatar as the SD7, a made-for-R134a version, made in Singapore. I got it installed in my 800 from Quick AC in Lajpat Nagar, and am happy with it.

As for prices, the change will cost you around Rs.12000, depending on what all is being changed. The compressors may be available at K-Gate for even 8k, but a good fitting is worth paying for.

Speaking of which, if you can get a lower capacity compressor of smaller size, go for it. The gas ports of the Sanden are angled out, and need a jugaad fit. Also, the shaft length is that of a two pulley setup, which is longer than OE and may foul the chassis. In all, its a tight fit but can be done cheapest, even on the original bracket. Insist in changing the pulley from twin v-belt to serpentine type to retain the original crank pulley. Don't go to Mohan a/c of model town for they did a very shoddy job.

Check this out:

http://www.sandenvikas.com/compressors.htm

The picture of the SD7H15 (http://www.sandenvikas.com/images/inner-img-02-big.jpg) suggests a better fit. It may be the Alto's compressor. Talk to the mechanics and get back if you have any queries.

BTW, 2002 onwards Zens had 110 cc Delphi compressors.

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I got it installed in my 800 from Quick AC in Lajpat Nagar, and am happy with it.
How was your experience with Quick AC? I'm looking for someone to do a proper install on my OHC. I'll be buying the components from Kashmere Gate, unless I get a good price at the shop itself.

Did you go in for their in-house gas or did you get your own canned gas from K-gate?

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How was your experience with Quick AC? I'm looking for someone to do a proper install on my OHC. I'll be buying the components from Kashmere Gate, unless I get a good price at the shop itself.

Did you go in for their in-house gas or did you get your own canned gas from K-gate?

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I had a good experience with them. They were recommended by my FNG and I just left my 800 at their shop for a day. They did a good install with the condenser at the back.

Having said that, like most independent AC shops, they peddle their own brand which is Sanden and that too the SD7, a reincarnation of the famed 507. There may be fitting issues and I'd recommend that you see the existing AC system and replace with OEM parts. Or you can get the parts and let them do the job, they know car ACs really well. Just don't shoehorn a Sanden unless there is enough space for the same.

What is the make of your AC?

As for gas, they use Flouron cylinders. And I would be very careful with canned gas or anything from K-gate, unless its a trusted source.

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The compressor was retrofitted by the previous owner, cooling is quite adequate in the Delhi summers with a proper gas charge, although the Alto's ac is superior.

Check with a good ac service shop, the ubiquitous 507 has a new avatar as the SD7, a made-for-R134a version, made in Singapore. I got it installed in my 800 from Quick AC in Lajpat Nagar, and am happy with it.

As for prices, the change will cost you around Rs.12000, depending on what all is being changed. The compressors may be available at K-Gate for even 8k, but a good fitting is worth paying for..................BTW, 2002 onwards Zens had 110 cc Delphi compressors.
Thanks fighterace for the time and pains taken for the detailed reply. Will surely look into a Sanden. The tips would come in handy and the post has clarified a lot of niggling queries that had cropped up. Muchas Gracias

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You may want to look at this FNG (Friendly Neighbourhood Garage - Shanoo & Irfan, Unique Automobiles (Delhi)):
He is a specialist A/C shop and one of the major repair centers with a preference towards Sanden compressors.
Note the Sanden compressor also has an adverse effect on mileage.
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What is the make of your AC?

As for gas, they use Flouron cylinders. And I would be very careful with canned gas or anything from K-gate, unless its a trusted source.
I have an OHC which uses a Sanden compressor. I'll be sourcing the compressor and other parts from Sanden Authroised dealers in K-Gate. The same chap who stocks the compressors (Anil Motors - Sanden, Subros, Delphi, et al.) also stocks the gas cans. The difference comes to a good 5,000!

PS: For anyone who is looking for a viable gas replacement of R12, MO49 Dupont Gas cans are available for Rs.350/- with Anil Motors in K-Gate.
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You may want to look at this FNG (Friendly Neighbourhood Garage - Shanoo & Irfan, Unique Automobiles (Delhi)):
He is a specialist A/C shop and one of the major repair centers with a preference towards Sanden compressors.
Note the Sanden compressor also has an adverse effect on mileage.
Thanks Joy. I had read your thread down to the last post and then did some googling for Sanden myself. Shanoo / Irfan would be my preferred stop if I go the Sanden way. What I am concerned is whether Sanden will be a seamless fit in the Zen's setup?

(PS: How much drop in mileage can I expect if I install a Sanden?)

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What I am concerned is whether Sanden will be a seamless fit in the Zen's setup?

(PS: How much drop in mileage can I expect if I install a Sanden?)

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Sanden should be having multiple models - am sure one of them will fit.

Drop in mileage is very difficult to quantify - but expect around 2-3 kmpl.

BTW, do ensure that you get the entire system serviced not just the compressor replacement. Note this could involve replacement of the receiver as well.
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I have an OHC which uses a Sanden compressor. I'll be sourcing the compressor and other parts from Sanden Authroised dealers in K-Gate. The same chap who stocks the compressors (Anil Motors - Sanden, Subros, Delphi, et al.) also stocks the gas cans. The difference comes to a good 5,000!

PS: For anyone who is looking for a viable gas replacement of R12, MO49 Dupont Gas cans are available for Rs.350/- with Anil Motors in K-Gate.
If the factory fitted compressor is a Sanden, then replace it with an identical unit. There are many variants and switching can create fitting problems.

Are you including the labour charge when calculating the difference?
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Thanks fighterace for the time and pains taken for the detailed reply. Will surely look into a Sanden. The tips would come in handy and the post has clarified a lot of niggling queries that had cropped up. Muchas Gracias

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You are welcome. Check the clearances yourself when mounting. As an afterthought, try the Alto's compressor. Had a look at my landlady's car- its a compact unit and packs a punch.

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If the factory fitted compressor is a Sanden, then replace it with an identical unit. There are many variants and switching can create fitting problems.

Are you including the labour charge when calculating the difference?
Yes I am including the labour cost. Though I've decided to go for a second hand compressor from Delhi's famous Mayapuri market. I've talked to a few people who get stock compressors alongwith Honda City engines from 'total loss' cars. You won't believe the price quoted by them; Rs.3,500/-! Though I am going to hunt the market to find one in the best working condition before I take the plunge.
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Yes I am including the labour cost. Though I've decided to go for a second hand compressor from Delhi's famous Mayapuri market. I've talked to a few people who get stock compressors alongwith Honda City engines from 'total loss' cars. You won't believe the price quoted by them; Rs.3,500/-! Though I am going to hunt the market to find one in the best working condition before I take the plunge.
That's an exciting idea. Maybe both of us can make a trip to Mayapuri. It's a fascinating place.
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That's an exciting idea. Maybe both of us can make a trip to Mayapuri. It's a fascinating place.
I went there the other day and boy is it an experience. It's the place where cars go to die. The shops there rip the car to pieces and salvage whatever they can. For any car enthusiast, it is an experience they will never forget.

There is absolutely nothing you cannot find there. You can even build a car from scratch with the parts available. It is hard to explain what the atmosphere is there, but it is truly something. I'll let the pictures do the talking. The place is not hygenic at all, there is no ground that you walk on but mud mixed with grease and nuts n bolts. There is shattered windshield glass everywhere. The place is ridden with engines of every possible car, every component of the car that you want is available. You can find accidental cars there every few minutes with a bunch of people working on it to salvage whatever possible. Cars were also being brought in by cranes for the purpose. It's very hard to manoeuvre a car there and this is coming from someone who doesn't shy away from taking his car to Chandini Chowk. Plus the abuse your car is subjected to due to the pot holes or shall I say complete lack of paved roads is another story.

And guess what? I got the compressor for Rs.2,000! With a guarantee that it'll work or else the money will be returned. All thanks to our trusty mechanic who has been our go-to guy for the last 25 years now. He accompanied me and we scoured several shops till he found a compressor that he thought fit the bill. He said we could have got the compress for Rs.1,500/- even, but we didn't haggle.

In other news, I purchased the Expansion Valve and the RD bottle for OHC from Kashmere Gate, but sadly original components are no longer available. The purchases were made from the Authorised Sanden Dealer Swastik Motors (contact details available).

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Thanks Joy. I had read your thread down to the last post and then did some googling for Sanden myself. Shanoo / Irfan would be my preferred stop if I go the Sanden way. What I am concerned is whether Sanden will be a seamless fit in the Zen's setup?

(PS: How much drop in mileage can I expect if I install a Sanden?)

Cheers !
Just to let you know that my friend has a Zen 2005 model whose compressor also needs a change. I asked for the Zen compressor from Mayapuri and the Subros compressor is available for Rs.1,500/-. So you could explore that option too. The shop that I purchased from had a few compressors at hand for the Zen.

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I went there the other day and boy is it an experience. It's the place where cars go to die. The shops there rip the car to pieces and salvage whatever they can. For any car enthusiast, it is an experience they will never forget.



And guess what? I got the compressor for Rs.2,000! With a guarantee that it'll work or else the money will be returned. All thanks to our trusty mechanic who has been our go-to guy for the last 25 years now. He accompanied me and we scoured several shops till he found a compressor that he thought fit the bill. He said we could have got the compress for Rs.1,500/- even, but we didn't haggle.

I've been there quite a few times, and absolutely love the place. The kind of stuff you can find is amazing. Did you get a Sanden 507? post a pic pls
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I've been there quite a few times, and absolutely love the place. The kind of stuff you can find is amazing. Did you get a Sanden 507? post a pic pls
I got a Sanden compressor, but I forgot to check the model number and click a picture. It looks identical to the one that was installed in my car.

The compressor has been installed now. Barring a few glitches with the compressor bought from Mayapuri, which required replacing the bearing on using the old compressor to the recently purchased one, the compressor shows no issues.

The AC cools really well even in the afternoon heat. I need to turn it a notch down every now and then as it gets too cold inside the car. The RD bottle and expansion valve were not replaced and the old ones were used. Thus the total expenditure has come to Rs.4,500/- (Rs.2,000/- for the compressor + Rs.2,500 for the installation) in comparison to the Rs.17,xxx/- I was originally quoted.

Now I just need to get the condensor properly cleaned, I'm not sure if the guy did that. I'm thinking if I should wait till the next summer or get it done this year.
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