Severe Judder in traffic crawl conditions

[tsk1979]

No more pics.
The job is very labor intenstive. You have to unmount the engine, remove the gbox, open the gbox, replace the plates etc., and refit.
Total time taken = 4 hours with 2 people working.

[Jr Godzilla]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

No more pics.
The job is very labor intenstive. You have to unmount the engine, remove the gbox, open the gbox, replace the plates etc., and refit.
Total time taken = 4 hours with 2 people working.

in RWD also do you need to unmount engine or is it only the gearbox that comes apart?? would it be as labor intensive as fwd.
i guess my clutch is cooked up like urs. but its still doing its job +2 yrs now (i have reduced the idling to 600 from 650 so as to dump the clutch and crawl in traffic)
my next job is the clutch now.

[tsk1979]

No idea about RWD, but I suspect the gearbox is attached to the engine in RWD also. From what I remember, the 118NE was a RWD and had gearbox in the front.

[Jr Godzilla]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

No idea about RWD, but I suspect the gearbox is attached to the engine in RWD also. From what I remember, the 118NE was a RWD and had gearbox in the front.

thanks for keeping the thread alive and the pics too. if you see my garage pics you will note the gearbox is almost under firewall.

kindly pm me the labor involved to get a rough idea of waht i should expect to fork out this side.

[tsk1979]

Different cars require different things.
For example in the indica
1. Remove battery
2. Remove Air filter box
3. Remove engine and gbox mountings
4. Dislodge gearbox
5. Open gbox change parts
6. Refit all
In all 4 hours labor 2 people. cost is around 800rs. I paid 950 because of welding and machining custom job.

[Jr Godzilla]

thanks for the info.

[dadu]

You seem tobe paying peanuts for your jobs, please post the address/ directions to your mechanic/ workshop.

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Different cars require different things.
For example in the indica
1. Remove battery
2. Remove Air filter box
3. Remove engine and gbox mountings
4. Dislodge gearbox
5. Open gbox change parts
6. Refit all
In all 4 hours labor 2 people. cost is around 800rs. I paid 950 because of welding and machining custom job.

[rkbharat]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Different cars require different things.
For example in the indica
1. Remove battery
2. Remove Air filter box
3. Remove engine and gbox mountings
4. Dislodge gearbox
5. Open gbox change parts
6. Refit all
In all 4 hours labor 2 people. cost is around 800rs. I paid 950 because of welding and machining custom job.

tsk1979, I don't think you will have to do all that to open gear box. gear box can be dismounted from the lower end, without dismounting anything you mentioned above.

Generally local mechanic do it as mentioned by you because they do not have a hydraulic jack to lift the cars to a position.

[tsk1979]

Yes rkbharat, in the Company service center where there is a hydraulic jack, the circus is less.

[barcode]

Hyundai A.S.S. had not been able to solve this problem at 1,00,000 KM service for my Santro 2001. I guess its time to unclutch the factory fitted clutch and hug a new one.

I think I'd get it done at a Local Workshop.

[DirtyDan]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

A factory fitted clutch always has the best life. With refitting I am guessing a life of another 40-50K kms max.

Your new clutch will last like the original assuming that the replacement parts are of the same or better quality. Why would you think it would not last? I hope they also changed the pilot bearing. This holds the tranny input shaft.

[vid6639]

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Your new clutch will last like the original assuming that the replacement parts are of the same or better quality. Why would you think it would not last? I hope they also changed the pilot bearing. This holds the tranny input shaft.

Could be the clutch alignment. The factory alignment will have the best possible alignment so a better life. The manually aligned one may not always be proper and end up having a slightly shorter life due to misalignment.

[tsk1979]

yup, everything was changed.
However the alignment thingy may be the reason?
Maybe it does last another 100,000 Km. But then I won't have the car for that long!

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by vid6639

Could be the clutch alignment. The factory alignment will have the best possible alignment so a better life.

There's really not much that can be done by way of 'alignment' in the sense of concentricity of the involved parts. There is hardly any other alignment that comes into effect except 'free-play' of the pedal.
What might be happening is that SPARE parts are built with larger tolerances and hence concentricity itself is compromised more than at OEM level.
Looking for more gyan on this.

[vid6639]

AFAIK the clutch alignment is extremely important. When the clutch is replaced the new plate is put in position by an alignment key. A wrong alignment and you will end up having premature clutch wear as in uneven wear. This was a problem which was observed in the early batch of swift's. There was clutch judder even when the car's had done only a few thousand kms. This problem was traced down to faulty alignment of the clutch. It was not the problem with the clutch as not all swifts had the problem.

I had done some r&d on this when I was looking at buying a small car. Found out about this from my MASS guy. Then when I bought my alto it had some clutch problem which was replaced under warranty. I saw the entire process with my MASS guy explaining how it was done. The alignment is very important.