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Old 18th January 2009, 11:01   #106
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I can not recall where I gathered the info, probably from a forum or article. It does claim stress on engine is more while reversing immediately upon cold start.
Seems to be some confusion to do with the fact that the reverse gear is usually the most powerful gear in a car!
Thing is, it does not load the engine more because it is the lowest gear ratio!
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Old 18th January 2009, 14:20   #107
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but i start in first gear,release the clutch move an inch or so and then reverse ..
i found something interesting to tell that if i directly reverse then sometimes i hear the (katach) sound from the gear box ,but if i opt for the above mention method , i never heard that sound !!!
Very correct! I have wondered what it is. If i move a bit in 1st the sound dosnt come. Can any one explain why this happens in santro ?
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Old 18th January 2009, 15:27   #108
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Seems to be some confusion to do with the fact that the reverse gear is usually the most powerful gear in a car!
Thing is, it does not load the engine more because it is the lowest gear ratio!
I ma not sure about reverse gear being the lowest ratio gear. Based on feel factor I think it is some where around second gear, however I'd like to learn if it is otherwise.
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Old 18th January 2009, 16:17   #109
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While test driving Linea i noticed that when the engine stalled (the clutch was a bit sharp ), and when i turned the ignition, i couldn't turn it on till i turned the key to complete off position, before turning it on.

I have also noticed this in Logan. A friend tells me that turning the ignition on straight away will reduce the bettery life, though i am not sure about the reason. Why is this forced key turn to off position before turning on the ignition, when the engine stops?
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While test driving Linea i noticed that when the engine stalled (the clutch was a bit sharp ), and when i turned the ignition, i couldn't turn it on till i turned the key to complete off position, before turning it on.

I have also noticed this in Logan. A friend tells me that turning the ignition on straight away will reduce the bettery life, though i am not sure about the reason. Why is this forced key turn to off position before turning on the ignition, when the engine stops?
Supposedly a safety feature to save ignition system, It is provided in Fiat vehicles even before Linea. May be an expert could explain how it helps.
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Old 18th January 2009, 23:31   #111
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So many views on how to start a car. Interesting. However the majority of views here is to depress the clutch when starting the car for the first time during the day or night. This may seem stupid but have seen this little sticker by maruti on a wagon r dashboard once which says 'MPFI engine-Do not depress clutch while starting' or something like that. Does this have to be followed in all MPFI cars?
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.. but have seen this little sticker by maruti on a wagon r dashboard once which says 'MPFI engine-Do not depress clutch while starting' or something like that. Does this have to be followed in all MPFI cars?
You've got mixed up there! That sticker says not to press the accelerator while starting. And yes, it is a practice to be followed on all MPFI cars.

Some other oddities you might find in some cars:
After one start, if the engine stalls, you cannot re-start before taking ignition switch all the way to off position. Probably to preclude the possibility of applying the self starter on a running engine.

Some cars will not allow application of self starter without the clutch pedal being depressed.

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...This may seem stupid but have seen this little sticker by maruti on a wagon r dashboard once which says 'MPFI engine-Do not depress clutch while starting' or something like that. Does this have to be followed in all MPFI cars?
Wow... when did they start giving out this advice! Kevciti, can you please post a photo of this sticker?

The only one I have seen is the one advicing not to use the accelerator, when starting, for the MPFI engines.

EDIT: (Oops..did not notice that Anup has already made the same observation.) Righto Anup, I guess Kevciti might have got confused with the sticker.

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Went down to my pals wagon r during lunch to check this out and yes Anup and Happy you guys are right...It says accelerator lol. Does this mean I need to develop the habit of depressing the clutch when starting the car first thing in the morning. Am getting the impression from this thread that this causes less wear on components. Usually just hop in and start her up after waiting for the fuel pump to stop whirring, idle for a few seconds while I listen for any unusual sounds, check all mirrors, buckle up and slot into reverse.
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...Does this mean I need to develop the habit of depressing the clutch when starting the car first thing in the morning. Am getting the impression from this thread that this causes less wear on components...
Kevciti,

Would recommend this procedure for all starts and not the first one in the morning. Go ahead and try it and am sure you will notice a difference soon enough.
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IMHO depressing clutch during startup no way reduces the load on engine, infact there is no load on the engine when started in neutral. Only difference is that if you depress the clutch the rotation of the clutch plate and mainshaft in the gearbox is not happening.This practice came all the way from good old days when accidental startups in gear was a commom phenomenon. Most of vehicles those days had problems like slipping gears with lots of play in the gear lever which made locating neutral difficult.

But i do agree to the fact that in the modern day hectic lifestyle, depressing clutch during startup should be followed by everyone to reduce risk. Also starting the vehicle in gear may result in severe damage to the clutch, and drivetrain assembly, due to the sudden torque.
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... and when i turned the ignition, i couldn't turn it on till i turned the key to complete off position, before turning it on.

I have also noticed this in Logan. A friend tells me that turning the ignition on straight away will reduce the bettery life, though i am not sure about the reason. Why is this forced key turn to off position before turning on the ignition, when the engine stops?
Its a safety feature to avoid double cranking even by mistake. But you can switch On the ignition key to ACC position where all accessories will be ON and engine check will start after this you can crank the engine to start. There is no need to Crank the engine all the way right from inserting the key and this process will overlap the engine check procedures as well.
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recently read in the owners manual of FIAT Grande Punto diesel

1)engage hand brake.
2)make sure the car is in neutral .
3)turn the key to on.
4)wait for warning lights to go off, except the ones that go off after engine startup.
3)depress the clutch fully.
4)crank the engine.
5)drive off , without waiting, no need for any warm up/revving

the pressing clutch is something that i am not used to.
Trying to follow it consciously from now on.
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This is my routine:

1) Close and lock the door, partially open the window.
2) Wear seat belt.
3) Bring the gear shift to neutral.
4) Check all switches are off.
5) Start the engine with clutch depressed, no throttle.
6) Wait till temp gauge points to "C"
7) Switch on the blower.
8) Release hand brake, check all warning lights are off, engage gear and drive sedately for 1 KM till I access the main road.
9) By now temp gauge will indicate normal operating temp, so roll up windows, switch on A/C and move off briskly.

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While test driving Linea i noticed that when the engine stalled (the clutch was a bit sharp ), and when i turned the ignition, i couldn't turn it on till i turned the key to complete off position, before turning it on.

I have also noticed this in Logan. Why is this forced key turn to off position before turning on the ignition, when the engine stops?
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After one start, if the engine stalls, you cannot re-start before taking ignition switch all the way to off position. Probably to preclude the possibility of applying the self starter on a running engine.
This feature is there in a lot of cars now and is a help especially for new age petrol cars. Your barely hear them ticking!! OSS, your Fiesta has it.
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