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Old 17th June 2008, 23:16   #31
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What is it about cars with Fiat engines? Before Palio, now Swift - so many issues??

14,500 in 6 months? Thats something. Could you tell more about the usage?

What exactly is the issue you face with your FIAT/Swift cars engine. Since you have both cars please elaborate. I could probably help you and if not me I am sure Turbosam (Sameer) could help you.

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My Feb 08 Swift D has clocked 2300 km till now. I got the first service done during April 08 when the car had done 400+ km. After seeing your suggestion, I went to the service station and got the gear/transmission oil changed the very next day. The service advisor was very reluctant to do this change and even said that I am the first person who has ever changed the gearbox oil at 2300 km, when Maruti's suggested change is at 20000 km . The screw infact was magnetic in nature with some metal particles stuck to it, but the service engineer said that the screw being magnetic will attract all the metal particles which will leave the pure oil in the gearbox.

As a bonus, I changed the engine oil also (second change, first change being the one during the first service)
Your car will thank you for it and if you maintain it henceforth sticking to normal fluid change intervals it will last you at least 1,50,000km with out any trouble.
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Clutch cable? my understanding is it doesnt have any cables, and is actuated via hydrolic linkage?
Oops .. It wasn't the clutch cable but the gear cable -- !!
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Old 12th August 2008, 06:51   #34
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i do feel the difference in the gear shifts lately. With 2900+ kms on the odo, now the car's reverse gear falls into the place majority of the times. Thanks for the advice rider!


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so after the oil change does the gear box feel any better or is it just the same? well i put my 2cents on it being a better gearbox now!

please do give the feed back.
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Old 13th September 2012, 15:19   #35
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Maruti or any car company need not run each and every car for 20k to check the quality.Quality is checked on the internal parts.If that is OK then the working of the gear box should also be right.
Here the issue would be the synchronizer which fails when enormous torque is acting on it.That is the reason why the service guys said that this is due to rash driving.In a lancer which was owned by you before the torque generated is far less than a swift d.So try to put the torque to wheels in a more controlled manner.
I believe this may be happening in my car - will be giving it in to service tomorrow. I have tested it and here is the peculiar behavior (car is just short of 90k):
- The gearbox is otherwise smooth in almost all gears
- The 2nd gear does not engage at speeds above 15 kph. That is the magic figure (will check RPM). Its almost as if I am trying a 5th gear in a 4speed M800 - impossible.
- Whether i am downshifting from 3rd (90% of time) or coasting in neutral (100%) this behavior is manifest
- However, while acclereating (both normal 2200 RPM or 3000 RPM) and upshifting from 1st, it always clicks in nicely and predictably every time.

This happens at speeds of 20ish (in traffic) and can get painful since i need to brake before i can slot the 2nd. Which becomes a pain.

- How much do synchronizers cost?
- What all could be damaged?

thx in advance
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Anyway they have acknowledged for the warranty replacement but still it is revolting.
Since you have not mentioned this need more than one visit, they seem to be doing a good job. Don't worry about their comment, it a general ploy all white goods dealers use.

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I was made to wait for 6 months until they delivered my car after booking .
Everyone had to, it was a choice you made while booking the car!
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Since you have not mentioned this need more than one visit, they seem to be doing a good job. Don't worry about their comment, it a general ploy all white goods dealers use.



Everyone had to, it was a choice you made while booking the car!
you replied to a 4+ year old post sirjee
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I believe this may be happening in my car - will be giving it in to service tomorrow. I have tested it and here is the peculiar behavior (car is just short of 90k):
- The gearbox is otherwise smooth in almost all gears
- The 2nd gear does not engage at speeds above 15 kph. That is the magic figure (will check RPM). Its almost as if I am trying a 5th gear in a 4speed M800 - impossible.
- Whether i am downshifting from 3rd (90% of time) or coasting in neutral (100%) this behavior is manifest
- However, while acclereating (both normal 2200 RPM or 3000 RPM) and upshifting from 1st, it always clicks in nicely and predictably every time.

This happens at speeds of 20ish (in traffic) and can get painful since i need to brake before i can slot the 2nd. Which becomes a pain.

- How much do synchronizers cost?
- What all could be damaged?

thx in advance
So here is my update.

The synchronizer rings are anyways worn out. It is a SGP, meaning it costs 4400 apiece, whereas the Indian synchronizer rings (4/5 gear) cost 220. But then the torque acting on the 1/2nd rings is MUCH higher i believe.

Since the car has done 90k and the clutch plate seems worn down to its rivets, I am changing the clutch plate etc as well. (no labor charge since its included in gearbox work). They are claiming that the entire set ( plates, bearings, flywheel itself) needs to be changed and thats like 11k

This is turning out to be a REALLY expensive visit to Maruti :(
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So here is my update.
They are claiming that the entire set ( plates, bearings, flywheel itself) needs to be changed and thats like 11k

This is turning out to be a REALLY expensive visit to Maruti :(
Saheb,
90k kms and clutch assembly replacement is regular maintenance. Sure,it is expensive when compared to a normal service, but it is part of the life cycle.
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So here is my update.

The synchronizer rings are anyways worn out. It is a SGP, meaning it costs 4400 apiece, whereas the Indian synchronizer rings (4/5 gear) cost 220. But then the torque acting on the 1/2nd rings is MUCH higher i believe.
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My Vista TDI 2009 make 17k driven car has a gear shift problem. It wont shift to 1st gear. I predict it to be a synchronizer fault given the other conditions which I checked.

I think you faced the same issue. Can you tell me how much does it cost to overhaul a gearbox just to change a synchronizer. What was your cost involved to overhaul a gearbox ( spare parts cost and labour cost)?
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Default Re: swift-vdi Gear box fails

Bumping up a really old thread, but my problem seems to be exactly the same.

My Nov 2013 Swift Vdi's gearbox has been acting strange lately. I cannot shift down from 3rd to 2nd gear.All other shifting sequences are working fine. The only way to downshift is take it straight to 1st and then move to 2nd.

The car has run around 16k kms so far.
Had faced a similar problem while shifting into reverse very early on (before the 1st free service). Was resolved in the 1st free service (I was told it needed some greasing!). Anyways the gearbox functioned well till last week.

Took it to MASS this sunday, and they said the Synchronizer rings need to be replaced, and the gearbox would need to be overhauled- was told it would be done FOC under warranty. But they didn't have the part in stock, and have asked to come next week. Casually chatted up with the SA who said they have been getting a lot of cars with the same problem, and all of it replaced under warranty.

Anyone else aware/heard of such an occurrence in Swifts? Is this similar to the Rear Axle silent recall/replacement program? Do these rings last just 10-15k kms? None of the other cars we owned (including a Tata Indica ) had their gearboxes opened and worked on upon so early in their lives.

Also, any other part that would need to be replaced which would take collateral damage upon opening/overhaul of the gearbox?
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Default Re: swift-vdi Gear box fails

Yes, there have been some cases documented earlier.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...di-2008-a.html (3rd Gear Problem in Swift Vdi 2008)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ip-pg-3-a.html (Long Term Ownership Report: Swift VdI- 2 lakh kms, Cost of ownership on Pg 3)

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...r-problem.html (Swift 2nd Gear Problem EDIT: Now first gear problem)
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Bumping up a really old thread, but my problem seems to be exactly the same.

My Nov 2013 Swift Vdi's gearbox has been acting strange lately. I cannot shift down from 3rd to 2nd gear.All other shifting sequences are working fine. The only way to downshift is take it straight to 1st and then move to 2nd.

The car has run around 16k kms so far.
Had faced a similar problem while shifting into reverse very early on (before the 1st free service). Was resolved in the 1st free service (I was told it needed some greasing!). Anyways the gearbox functioned well till last week.

Took it to MASS this sunday, and they said the Synchronizer rings need to be replaced, and the gearbox would need to be overhauled- was told it would be done FOC under warranty. But they didn't have the part in stock, and have asked to come next week. Casually chatted up with the SA who said they have been getting a lot of cars with the same problem, and all of it replaced under warranty.

Anyone else aware/heard of such an occurrence in Swifts? Is this similar to the Rear Axle silent recall/replacement program? Do these rings last just 10-15k kms? None of the other cars we owned (including a Tata Indica ) had their gearboxes opened and worked on upon so early in their lives.

Also, any other part that would need to be replaced which would take collateral damage upon opening/overhaul of the gearbox?
It's not a common problem, but yes, lots of Swifts have had their syncronizers changed under warranty. Mine is a 2008 model and mine were changed under warranty too. Not a biggie, get it done at the MASS and I ll be fine.
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Hmmm. Back in the first page someone cited a Nano skimping on QA. Well, I haven't faced any such issues in the 2.5 years and 46000 kms ownership of my 2012 Nano Lx. And I don't drive gently always.

So all those Swifts needing a new set of synchronizer rings points to a QA problem? Should this be a fit case for a recall?
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It's not a common problem, but yes, lots of Swifts have had their syncronizers changed under warranty. Mine is a 2008 model and mine were changed under warranty too. Not a biggie, get it done at the MASS and I ll be fine.
Tried searching but couldn't find a related post for the newer swifts.

Also, over the course of this week, I have observed that it is getting slightly difficult to slot the car into both 1st and reverse gears as well.

Just wondering, should I ask for a complete gearbox replacement? I am skeptical of more faults developing once the gearbox has been opened and the synchronizer rings replaced and the car is back on road, especially since the warranty on the car also ends this year. It would not be as good as it rolled off from the factory right - something like an unopened engine. Of course, a lot depends on the workmanship - but that is the big grey area!

Is there any merit in my thinking, and do MASS cater to such demands, or they just dismiss it off summarily?
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