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Old 7th December 2009, 06:38   #1561
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I have got the front suspension overhaul as well as wheel alignment & balancing done but I still feel steering vibrations whenever the vehicle goes over a hump and during acceleration also.

Any ideas what could this be attributed to ?
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Old 7th December 2009, 09:16   #1562
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Yes, unless they could figure out how to work with only 1 sufficient one.

Good news is that now they have only one . The tank is gone.
Dadu: You are correct and I am wrong .

The big Black cylindrical container is indeed a vaccuum reservoir.

With the 2.2L, the safari has a separate Vaccuum pump unlike the 3L which had a Vaccuum pump attached to the alternator. Therefore at low speeds in the city the alternator attached vaccuum pump could not generate sufficient vaccuum. Vaccuum is required for 3 items in the Safari...
1. Brakes
2. the VTT and
3. cannot recall the item ... sorry (becoming old)

Since the 2.2L now has a separate Vaccuum pump, it was decided to dispense of the big vaccuum reservoir and go in to a smaller accumulator in the engine bay (it is apparantly green coloured). Newer Safari owners are requested to confirm the position of the same.
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Just be careful with its use, it feel cool if you touch it, but will give burning sensation on prolonged exposure. Best is wear a glove (also available in the same shop).
You were apparantly using a NC thinner.

If so, NC thinner has a very corrosive action on painted surface. So be very carefull.

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Since the 2.2L now has a separate Vaccuum pump, it was decided to dispense of the big vaccuum reservoir and go in to a smaller accumulator in the engine bay (it is apparantly green coloured). Newer Safari owners are requested to confirm the position of the same.
Could you please post up some pics to help explain?
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@Cool_dube: My Safari is 2007 model. Your is a much more recent model. Check up whether the black big cylindrical container is present behing the front right wheel. If not then you have the new green (additional ??) accumulator "somewhere" in the engine bay.
You will have to do a manual search, else, ask TASS (someone senior enough - and not just the mechanics) next time you are there, to point out the new accumulator.
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Could you please post up some pics to help explain?
In the older 2.2s(eg mine), just behind the front right wheel sits a big drum. It is the vaccum reservoir.
Now lets say you are driving at speed, and all the belts fail or something, or brake booster fails. Normally, you would lose brake assist. Not so in the 2.2 Even with engine off, there is brake assist.
I once experimented with this.
On an incline in neutral, I switched of engine, and started using the brakes,. After 4-5 uses, the brake pedal became very hard, obviously due to the reservoir becoming exhausted.
In a car without this reservoir, you lose brake assist the moment engine is switched off.
A smaller reservoir will probably mean only 2-3 brake pedal jabs worth of boost after engine goes off.

But this thing was pain during offroading as you had to be extra extra careful. Its very easy to hit this thing due to odd placement, esp when negotiating ruts!
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Mahesh, request more details on the location of the same
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Hi Rahul,

The hose is the small bulged one on the right side (when facing the car) lower part of the car. It is way below the alternator. the pictures may not be so clear due to the location but I hope that you get the idea. This hose will be normally covered in Oil ( I have compared this to other 2.2's also ).

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Hi Rahul,

The hose is the small bulged one on the right side (when facing the car) lower part of the car. It is way below the alternator. the pictures may not be so clear due to the location but I hope that you get the idea. This hose will be normally covered in Oil ( I have compared this to other 2.2's also ).

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Got it Mahesh..Thanks a ton..

Mine is a little misaligned and is squeaky clean. I could also feel it moving left and right though, is that normal?
I could also see the boost pressure sensor on top of that hose.

What does it take to get it aligned properly ? I mean time wise.

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You were apparantly using a NC thinner.

If so, NC thinner has a very corrosive action on painted surface. So be very carefull.

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You are correct, we need to be careful in applying the thinner. A very little quantity applied to a cloth first and then just wipe the affected area. Never to be applied (poured like water) directly on painted surface.


Wiping the affected area immediately with water wet cloth (after applying the thiner) will negate the affect on thinner on the painted surface.
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Got it Mahesh..Thanks a ton..

Mine is a little misaligned and is squeaky clean. I could also feel it moving left and right though, is that normal?
I could also see the boost pressure sensor on top of that hose.

What does it take to get it aligned properly ? I mean time wise.
Hi Rahul,

The two metal tubes which the rubber hose connect need not be perfectly straight, the rubber if clamped properly seals well.

In any case an easy way to check is to apply some soap water to the joints and then rev the engine couple of times, incase of leaks some froth will show.

Aligning the hose takes on about 5 min, they loosen the clamp and hold both the metal hoses aligned and tighten the clamp.

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Hey guys, how to check if Safari has been retrofitted? Is it required to be done? Or can be ignored?
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Sometimes I hear gurgling sound e.g as one gargles. This is sound is very much evident and irritating sometimes. Any ideas..

PS: My coolant level hasnt dropped significantly nor the temperature needle goes above half-mark.
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Guys,
I just need your help here. From quite some time I have been getting a kind of a growl (like a rubbing sound) when ever the turbo spools down; while pressing the clutch to change to a higher gear for example. Its very distinct and sounds pretty un-natural to any sounds that I have been accustomed to. There doesn't seem to be any visual changes in performance of the truck.

I have shown it to TASS at Chennai & B'lore , both places they did say that it sounded a bit odd, but "there was just nothing wrong with the vehicle" after a thorough check up. I assumed that may be the air filter was dirty and had it replaced. But still it continues.
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Sometimes I hear gurgling sound e.g as one gargles. This is sound is very much evident and irritating sometimes. Any ideas..

PS: My coolant level hasnt dropped significantly nor the temperature needle goes above half-mark.
Something like the above??
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Something like the above??
Yup something like this


On the other hand.. can someone please point out from the pics below if this is normal diesel leakage or engine oil leakage.

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...can someone please point out from the pics below if this is normal diesel leakage or engine oil leakage
arrrg...couldn't make out anything. Looks just like some misty traces of oil- normal at joints carrying pressurized hydrocarbon. Diesel traces will be lighter and non sticky. Oil traces will probably be darker and have affinity to settle dusts. Even high temp lines/spots become tan over time. Sometimes traces of grease or loctite left over on a hot surface will stain yellow.

Looks normal to me for a motor that has run>12k kms. Just wash it off and see how soon it comes back. If 10k kms or so, then it is normal. Looks like you are out ogling every nook and crevice with a microscope

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