Go Back   Team-BHP > Under the Hood > Technical Stuff


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 17th December 2009, 15:02   #1621
Senior - BHPian
 
cool_dube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 214 Times
Default Engine oil - to change or not to change

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shubhendra View Post
Hi All,
My beast has completed around 7700 kms and gone through first and second service. But Engine Oil has not been changed in both the Services and as per SA of TASS there is no need for engine oil change and Engine Oil change will be done at 15,000 kms.
But today when i was going through Service Manual, it was recommending Oil change at every Service.
I am totally confused. Please suggest me Gurus, whether SA was wrong or TML. Should i go for voluntary Service now and change engine oil?
Shubhendra - I underwent exactly the same confusion yesterday when I took my Safari for its first service. Per my owner's manual, service schedule is:

a. 1,000 kms - 1,500 kms or 1 month (whichever is earlier)
b. 5,000 kms - 5,500 kms or 6 months (whichever is earlier)
c. 15,000 kms - 15,500 kms or 1 year (whichever is earlier)
... and every 15,000 kms then on.

Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.
cool_dube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 15:55   #1622
BHPian
 
sbhaduri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kolkata / Ranchi
Posts: 68
Thanked: Once
Default

@cool-dube: It is always better to get the engine oil and oil filter replaced regularly within 5-7k kms and or 6months.This way the engine will remain clean as ever from inside.To prove you would note in his posts that adc had done voluntary oil changes on his Safari at every 7500kms and his old engine was very clean from inside.

Periodic oil and oil filter replacement keeps the engine clean.

Last edited by sbhaduri : 17th December 2009 at 15:56.
sbhaduri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 16:00   #1623
Senior - BHPian
 
cool_dube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 214 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sbhaduri View Post
@cool-dube: It is always better to get the engine oil and oil filter replaced regularly within 5-7k kms and or 6months.This way the engine will remain clean as ever from inside.To prove you would note in his posts that adc had done voluntary oil changes on his Safari at every 7500kms and his old engine was very clean from inside.

Periodic oil and oil filter replacement keeps the engine clean.
Agreed - and I am planning to do that irrespective of the 'modern technology' used by the VTT I am more bothered about not changing the oil for the first 7,500 kms!!
cool_dube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 16:01   #1624
BHPian
 
ram.west's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chennai
Posts: 418
Thanked: 19 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maheshmenon View Post
The engine problem is back big time, did about 1k km after my previous TASC visit (see previous posts). Just today when I started the truck, the rpm was needle was vibrating at about 500 only , the engine was shaking like crazy ( i mean really crazy) and making quite a racket. service light was remaning on. Attempted two starts but the same issue. had a quick look at the turbo hoses, no anomalies,but i had to shut down the engine fast, the vibes really had me worried that the mount may be damaged if I kept it running.

I want to get TML in the loop now, the customer care e-mail ID hasn't responded. any help will be appretiated!!!

does it emit lot of black smoke? with the whole vehicle shuddering crazy and the rpm going up and down violently ? has your vehicle been done the refitment ??
ram.west is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 16:04   #1625
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 3,649
Thanked: 242 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_dube View Post
Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.
Well this is a known thing and you could have always trusted T-bhp posts on this, while reading I was anticipating a call to Ratan Tata to confirm the same, alas it didnt happen

Always follow manufacturers recommendation, they put those thing in the service intervals after thorough testing, even the oil manufacturers test their oils for those intervals.

Last edited by dadu : 17th December 2009 at 16:07.
dadu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 16:07   #1626
v&v
Senior - BHPian
 
v&v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 1,523
Thanked: 1,022 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_dube View Post
Shubhendra - I underwent exactly the same confusion yesterday when I took my Safari for its first service. Per my owner's manual, service schedule is:

a. 1,000 kms - 1,500 kms or 1 month (whichever is earlier)
b. 5,000 kms - 5,500 kms or 6 months (whichever is earlier)
c. 15,000 kms - 15,500 kms or 1 year (whichever is earlier)
... and every 15,000 kms then on.

Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.
cool_dube,
if you are using your safari for daily commuting ie in high traffic , lot of idling then it is advisable to change the oil at 7.5 k kms. Otherwise i feel it is not at all required. I did my first change only at 15k km.

As for fuel filter it needs change only at 30k kms only. There is some advisory being already issued to service centers. This was also pointed out by DADU too. I am getting a refund for fuel filter changed in 15km now after i lodged a complaint regarding the same.
v&v is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 16:28   #1627
BHPian
 
maheshmenon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Chennai / Bangalore
Posts: 123
Thanked: 4 Times
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by maheshmenon View Post
The engine problem is back big time, did about 1k km after my previous TASC visit (see previous posts). Just today when I started the truck, the rpm was needle was vibrating at about 500 only , the engine was shaking like crazy ( i mean really crazy) and making quite a racket. service light was remaning on. Attempted two starts but the same issue. had a quick look at the turbo hoses, no anomalies,but i had to shut down the engine fast, the vibes really had me worried that the mount may be damaged if I kept it running.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkdas View Post
Any smoke? Difference in engine oil level? Bad fly wheel?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ram.west View Post
does it emit lot of black smoke? with the whole vehicle shuddering crazy and the rpm going up and down violently ? has your vehicle been done the refitment ??
Ok guys the problem turned out to be that the "Fuel Injector #2 & #3" wires were cut due to rodent entry. so with only 2 cylinders firing, the imbalance caused the heavy vibrations. Same has been re-connected with tape but I was told that the harness is pretty expensive.
maheshmenon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 17:03   #1628
Senior - BHPian
 
cool_dube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 1,024
Thanked: 214 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadu View Post
Well this is a known thing and you could have always trusted T-bhp posts on this, while reading I was anticipating a call to Ratan Tata to confirm the same, alas it didnt happen
Dadu - I almost did

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadu View Post
Always follow manufacturers recommendation, they put those thing in the service intervals after thorough testing, even the oil manufacturers test their oils for those intervals.
This is the best part - what do I consider as manufacturer's recommendation :

a. Service manual - which says change the oil at 1K as well as 5K
or
b. TASS and TML opinion - no change required till 15K
cool_dube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 17:16   #1629
v&v
Senior - BHPian
 
v&v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 1,523
Thanked: 1,022 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_dube View Post
Dadu - I almost did



This is the best part - what do I consider as manufacturer's recommendation :

a. Service manual - which says change the oil at 1K as well as 5K
or
b. TASS and TML opinion - no change required till 15K
cool_dube,
Just get the oil change done, its a matter or Rs 2.1 k. its as simple as that.
Nobody is going ask you why did you change oil, vice versa is possible !

v&V
v&v is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 21:54   #1630
v&v
Senior - BHPian
 
v&v's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Delhi
Posts: 1,523
Thanked: 1,022 Times
Default

Hi I found a new way to turn off FOLLOW ME feature.

Once the engine is switched off. Open the driver door and remove the key from ignition, Head light glows. Just switch ON the parking light for once. Head light gets switched offs.
Thats it.

Earlier i used to lock the vehicle and then unlock.
v&v is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 22:45   #1631
BHPian
 
bj96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pune
Posts: 766
Thanked: 117 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by v&v View Post
Earlier i used to lock the vehicle and then unlock.
I press just the unlock button on remote after door ajar. It switches off HL, if it was on due to follow me.
-BJ
bj96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2009, 23:12   #1632
BHPian
 
dkamath's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 525
Thanked: 59 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by maheshmenon View Post
Ok guys the problem turned out to be that the "Fuel Injector #2 & #3" wires were cut due to rodent entry. so with only 2 cylinders firing, the imbalance caused the heavy vibrations. Same has been re-connected with tape but I was told that the harness is pretty expensive.
Have seen this issue in 2 of my colleague's cars (the HT lines of one of the spark plugs was broken/eaten), but they were petrol powered. I guess we need to be keep a watch on this, as i have had rodent entry into our vehicle earlier.
dkamath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th December 2009, 21:18   #1633
BHPian
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 96
Thanked: 8 Times
Default Question - non technical/other category

Has anyone lost a tail gate mounted spare wheel of the Safari? If yes, what is the solution to prevent or delay the stealing process?

The reason am asking is due to the theft of my Sierra spare wheel which has the same mount design. It was locked with a Godrej 6 lever lock and vehicle parked in front of a hospital at Ulsoor in BLR, just for one night when my son was admitted. There was no trace of the wheel nor the lock. It was a neat job that there was no metal dust or any sign of struggle to remove the wheel. I lost a brand new 6.0J wheel and new tyre.

After this experience I do not keep the spare wheel on the vehicle, it gets mounted only for long drives.

My new 2.2 VTT is expected next week. I request current owners to post their ideas.

Thank,
Viju
vijuvarghese is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th December 2009, 22:16   #1634
BHPian
 
bj96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Pune
Posts: 766
Thanked: 117 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vijuvarghese View Post
Has anyone lost a tail gate mounted spare wheel of the Safari? If yes, what is the solution to prevent or delay the stealing process?
Fortunately, we do not have many such petty thefts in Pune yet. I have a little lock jamming one of the mounting bolts plus, I park my truck in the reverse direction against a wall/pillar- barely about 6" gap between spare wheel and the wall. This protects the spare wheel cover too. To steal, thief must either push the truck or break the wall .

-BJ
bj96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2009, 03:40   #1635
Senior - BHPian
 
simply_sunny001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London & Rohtak
Posts: 1,339
Thanked: 15 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bj96 View Post
I park my truck in the reverse direction against a wall/pillar- barely about 6" gap between spare wheel and the wall. This protects the spare wheel cover too. To steal, thief must either push the truck or break the wall .

-BJ
BJ

very nice and innovative trick, i dont think you will ever have your spare wheel stolen.

simply_sunny001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Skoda Laura: Problems & solutions thread anandbhat Technical Stuff 1010 24th November 2016 13:48
Tata Safari - Technical Specifications & Feature List Stratos Technical Stuff 11 24th June 2011 20:48
technical aspects in technical driving ram_hyundai Technical Stuff 1 2nd February 2008 21:12


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 21:59.

Copyright 2000 - 2016, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks