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Old 22nd February 2010, 18:15   #1801
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@jaysmokes, bj96 - Thanks a ton guys!! Will try that out for sure today. But then is there no permanant solution for this ??
There is one permanent solution posted by me on this thread replace the tailgate latch with dovetail type latch from Sumo grande , Picture and part number is posted earlier.
There is no rattle for last 10,000 Km in my case.
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Old 22nd February 2010, 21:03   #1802
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Hi all,

I have recently purchased a Dicor GX 4x4. Its got great looks, however, i feel the tyres are bit too narrow for this vehicle. These surely dont go with the overall looks and the looks call for broader set.
Hence, i want to upsize to 245/60 with the same stock rims. I want to know, will this upsize from 235 to 245, void my warranty, and also will it cause any considerable deduction in the fuel efficiency? Please help.

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@arjith. I am not sure if you will find the 245/60/16 size. You will need to go for the 255/x/16 size which will retain the overall diameter of the tire with a broader footprint which will result in better handling braking but some decrease in fuel efficiency. Not sure of the warranty part.
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Hence, i want to upsize to 245/60 with the same stock rims. I want to know, will this upsize from 235 to 245, void my warranty, and also will it cause any considerable deduction in the fuel efficiency?
@arijit: Not sure if you get 245/60-16, but you do get 245/70-16 from Bridgestone (Bridgestone India Private Limited) and its sister concern, Silverstone (Silverstone - High Performance Tyres). BHP member offroader1 had upgraded to 245/70-16 Silverstone tyres on his Tata Xenon (Accessories for Tata Xenon XT), and you can PM him to find out if there have been any warranty issues (though I believe there should not be).

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@arijit: Not sure if you get 245/60-16, but you do get 245/70-16 from Bridgestone (Bridgestone India Private Limited) and its sister concern, Silverstone (Silverstone - High Performance Tyres). BHP member offroader1 had upgraded to 245/70-16 Silverstone tyres on his Tata Xenon (Accessories for Tata Xenon XT), and you can PM him to find out if there have been any warranty issues (though I believe there should not be).
SS-Traveller, Silverstone is an independent brand and Bridgestone is nowhere related to Silverstones. One of the posts mentioned that the owner of Universal Tyre House, importers of Silverstone and Prestige Alloys cooks up such stories to sell these tyres. Invest in better tyres and avoid Silverstones as AFAIK these tyres are the same as those made for Malaysia and unfit for our roads. BHPian m4ugr8 had Silverstones in his Swift and these tyres failed to brake resulting in damage to the ride.
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SS-Traveller, Silverstone is an independent brand and Bridgestone is nowhere related to Silverstones. One of the posts mentioned that the owner of Universal Tyre House, importers of Silverstone and Prestige Alloys cooks up such stories to sell these tyres. Invest in better tyres and avoid Silverstones as AFAIK these tyres are the same as those made for Malaysia and unfit for our roads.
IIRC the ones I saw were made in Indonesia. I believe Silverstones are also sold in Australia. What makes these tyres unfit for Indian roads if they appear to perform satisfactorily in Indonesia, Malaysia and even Australia?
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Hi all,

I have recently purchased a Dicor GX 4x4. Its got great looks, however, i feel the tyres are bit too narrow for this vehicle. These surely dont go with the overall looks and the looks call for broader set.
Hence, i want to upsize to 245/60 with the same stock rims. I want to know, will this upsize from 235 to 245, void my warranty, and also will it cause any considerable deduction in the fuel efficiency? Please help.

One liner simple response don't do it . what you feel may not be necessarily true.

Eloberating the point for fitting 255 R 16 you will need a 7J RIM the Offset of Aftermarket RIMs is not same as OEM Safari RIM so you will need to chop the inner portion of mudflap and also the steel from wheel well from same place by 1/2 inch. The Tyrewala will do this happily for you there will be no visual change from outside but.

1. You will get mud splash on foot board and lower portion of front door when ever your vehicle will zoom through the mud.

2. You should retain the OEM RIMS to get the FOC Wheel alignment with your service.

The wheel alignment values ( Caster , Camber and Toe) is different for 2.2 VTT from earlier Safaris. Also on Safari non-A.S.S alignment shops can only adjust the toe, Caster and Camber correction if required has to be done at A.S.S.

It is best to get the wheel alignment done at T.A.S.S because most of the reputed Wheel Alignmnet setups atleast in bangalore ( recommended on TBHP ) go by old Safari values so often misalign your wheels , I suffered from this.

If you go to T.A.S.S for correction they will put all 4 wheels from another Safari and then do the alignment for you because the Laser Pads they have fit only on OEM RIMS ( fitting brackets are unique).

I got the wheel alignment done after 10K km on my own at outside shop and felt a pull to left , but my My A.S.S ( Concord motors) were too generous they put in 1/2 day of labor free of cost to replace 4 wheels from a new Safari and then did adjustment free of cost but strictly speaking they could have denied warranty and put labor charges.

3. 255 mm Tyre gives you 20 mm of more rubber that is the size of tip of your finger the trouble state above does not justify this.

4. Power Steering setup will be stressed more.

5. Fuel efficiency goes down.

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There is one permanent solution posted by me on this thread replace the tailgate latch with dovetail type latch from Sumo grande , Picture and part number is posted earlier.
There is no rattle for last 10,000 Km in my case.
Place a thick paper between the tail gate and the base where the tail gate touches the body.
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Place a thick paper between the tail gate and the base where the tail gate touches the body.
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Not paper. I use many mouse pads, which I acquired over the decade of using PC/laptops. These computer mouse pads are durable, resists moisture and has a great damping ability. I just cut them into small rectangles and paste it using rubber adhesive. Did that for the spare wheel cover too. Works great .

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Hey guys, my safari has done about 14800 kms so far, a couple of days back while slowing down from about 80km/hr @ 2500-2700 rpm the service light flashed at about 1500 rpm level and still comes up when the rpm gradually comes down from the 2500-2800 level to 1500-1000 rpm.There is no drop in power and I have not observed anything unusual with the performance/engine note.

So went to TASS yesterday for diagnosis and got the following error codes -P1254 & P1258- both associated with the common rail, according to them ECU re flashing will solve the problem and I too think that it has something to do with the software itself as I don't feel any difference in the vehicle performance.

They erased the codes but could not re flash the ECU as they didn't have the required hardware/software for the process.Have lodged a complaint for the same with Tata helpline.

While at TASS got the 3rd service done- Engine oil, oil filter, air filter and differential oil were changed -Total bill Rs 3415/- .

Has anyone here faced the same issue or anything similar that was resolved with ECU re flashing.
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yes, a reflash will solve the issue. This does not cause any problems in driving, and is just a software issue.
Infact, I think your safari requires the other retro's also (Power window, ECU dust cover, Timing gear etc.,)
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Thanks for the quick response tsk, I too think its the software (though keeping my fingers crossed).I got my retro done from the pune guys themselves while they were here to train the dealer staff but didn't go for the software upgrade as I wasn't facing any issues till then (& some of you guys mentioned about engine becoming a bit harsher with the update).

Hey was it your safari spewing coolant from the radiator cap on revving (read about it in this thread itself) they are retrofitting the plastic neck for that particular reason.
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Since there is no separate thread for 3L DICOR problems, let me ask the question here:

Why would there be copious black smoke ONLY on hard acceleration? That is, a lot of black smoke only when the turbo goes on when one accelerates hard.
* Happens only after 1800rpm in 2nd and 3rd gears
* Does not happen anytime when the revs increase gradually to 2300-2500rmp
* Does not happen in any other driving condition
* No error codes whatsoever registered
* Air filter is clean
* Happens with any diesel - Indianoil, HP, Shell
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Tata recommends that every now and then you park her and rev the engine hard to redline for few seconds.
Do this treatment, and then tell whether this problem has vanished.
As for why this happens more during hard acceleration, its because when you floor the pedal, the ECU gives more fuel, and some of it comes out partially burnt.

So park her, and revv for few seconds, you should see black soot coming out of exhaust, and then it should vanish. After that it should not come again when you rev.
If it keeps coming again and again then there is something wrong as your engine is spewing out unburnt fuel. could be intake manifold cleaning issue, or some issue with fuel pump
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OK, let me try that. Can't be fuel pump, since all the fuel pump does is keep the Common Rail pressurized.
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