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Old 15th March 2010, 22:01   #1861
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Dadu,
I am having same problem, now it is getting worse. whenever i change gear always this sund with small jerk occurs. Even after stopping vehicle when i change my gear to neutral this sound comes.
One day it was giving good jerks like someone has banged my vehicle from behind, i got down from vehicle 2-3 times in middle of traffic to see if someone has banged, but there was no one. i realized this sound when i was parkign my vehicle in my garage. Is there any problem in cross of shaft or flywheel.
Please help me.

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Sorry, dont have a solution to this yet, nobody does. I coaxed a technician at T.A.S.S to put this question forward in one of their training programs on 2.2l, but he also got a blank from his trainer in PUNE plant.

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25 liters of fuel in the tank should take you around 200kms in a 4x4 Safari.
So if you're out in your Safari "making your own road" with 200kms of road left to "reclaim your life" then you will probably be dead.
Ouch.. that hurt!!
Does seem to be a tank design issues for a 4x4.

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Old 15th March 2010, 22:35   #1862
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You didn't try to crank the engine before priming, once it was on level ground?
You should not crank an engine that has taken air. Thats what the hand primer is for. First you prime the bulb till it gets hard, and after that you crank.
Even when you clean the water sedimenter(user cleanable), the procedure is to hand prime till the bulb thingy gets hard, and then crank
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You should not crank an engine that has taken air.
That's where I am confused. JSL doesn't report priming before he cranked up the engine.
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The Safari just wouldnt start since the fuel wasnt coming to the engine.
Finally, we had to tow the Safari out since it just wouldnt start. Once one level ground, it started immediately.
Jayant, could you please clarify?

And Tanveer, was your car also parked with the right side lower than the left when this happened? Or was it left side lower than right?
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Old 16th March 2010, 00:21   #1864
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To clarify:
When the Safari was tilted and the engine died I primed it, the bulb got hard with fuel and it cranked and then the engine died again in about 40-60 secs. Then I primed again but diesel never came from the tank and it refused to start.
After it was towed on to even ground, I primed it once again and the engine started.

@ Dadu : Im 100% sure its a design fault of the tank. I think if Tata expects us to "make our own road" and "reclaim our life" then probably the tank ought to be designed in such a way that fuel delivery to the engine is possible even on low fuel levels and/or reserve fuel, at the all the extreme angles/tilts the Safari is capable of. Anyone would be horrified if they were stuck without tow support in such a circumstance, for such a stupid reason.
Im also somewhat certain its not some kind of safety feature to cut off fuel supply.

Can someone direct TML engineering to this thread and solve this problem. And if they do fix this problem, please make the solution available to all Safari owners via a free/partial/fully paid upgrade. I would love to get rid of this nonsense.

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Old 16th March 2010, 08:28   #1865
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Sorry, dont have a solution to this yet, nobody does. I coaxed a technician at T.A.S.S to put this question forward in one of their training programs on 2.2l, but he also got a blank from his trainer in PUNE plant.
Dadu,
The clutch is most likely the culprit

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I really don't remember whether right side was higher or left . all I remember is that she was tilted quite a bit, and I had hit reserve few kms back in the traffic jam, so fuel tank had maybe 8 liters.
As for design flaws, I have experienced this in san Francisco, where many roads are more steep than the steepest trails!
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After it was towed on to even ground, I primed it once again and the engine started.

Can someone direct TML engineering to this thread and solve this problem. And if they do fix this problem, please make the solution available to all
That explains it.

TML might offer this solution - install an inclinometer and never go beyond 5 degrees tilt... Cost them less than changing a tank design, and thousands of tanks in a major recall!
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Has it been established as a faulty tank design & how? Or does extreme tilt have something to do with it along with the delivery lines?

In Tanveer's case, he was on Reserve fuel & it is advisable to be wary climbing steep slopes when the level in the tank is low. In Jay's case, he says he had 25-30 litres of fuel. Methinks I can't swallow the faulty tank theory . If it was a faulty tank design, I would have stalled numerous times climbing from my Office basement Level 2 to the ground floor when fuel is in reserve. How many degrees tilt? No idea, need to borow that inclinometer from GD

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with low fuel level in tank, any car will have this issue. For example, I faced this on different cars in San Francisco. Fuel source in the tank can be only at one place. If your car is tilted in such a way that the fuel source gets very high, this issue will come.
However if this issue came with 25 liters in tank, then the safari was really really tilted... any pics?
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Can understand if the fuel levels were low and an incline caused fuel not flowing, but with ~25 liters in tank, no way! As requested above, Jay, any pics?

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...TML might offer this solution - install an inclinometer and never go beyond 5 degrees tilt... Cost them less than changing a tank design, and thousands of tanks in a major recall!
Don't give them idea's! Not that anyone from TATA might be reading this, but you never know.
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Dadu,
The clutch is most likely the culprit
After a clutch replacement with Genuine spares, on multiple Safari's, I doubt it.

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Has it been established as a faulty tank design & how? Or does extreme tilt have something to do with it along with the delivery lines?

In Tanveer's case, he was on Reserve fuel & it is advisable to be wary climbing steep slopes when the level in the tank is low. In Jay's case, he says he had 25-30 litres of fuel. Methinks I can't swallow the faulty tank theory . If it was a faulty tank design, I would have stalled numerous times climbing from my Office basement Level 2 to the ground floor when fuel is in reserve. How many degrees tilt? No idea, need to borow that inclinometer from GD
Its not on an level incline or decline, its when for eg, your left side is more tilted than the right side, with low fuel its understandable but not with 25+ ltrs.
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A very interesting debate that is raging above....

So while the gurus debate on inclines, let me recount my story of the day...

I was rushing to the railway station in the wee hours of the morning when we all heard a loud whoosh noise. My daughter insisted that we have a puncture - so I climbed down and found that all the tyres were okay. I then climbed back and started to move on ahead while making a mental note to find out about the same.

To my dismay the vehicle started jerking, the engine noise was very rough and loud, the exhaust belched huge plumes of smoke.

I cursed myself and the vehicle. It had to happen when I am in a hurry - I told myself.

Anyway, I somehow nursed the vehicle to the railway station. I found out that the train was late. I thanked my stars and Ms Mamta for helping me out.

Anyway to cut the story short, I collected my relatives who had come in, bundled them in to a taxi and set out on a "long" journey to TA$$.
I vehicle was jerking away like mad and belching smoke (I was reminded of James Bond and his cars - but there you had to manually activate the smoke screen). Half way across, the service light came on, the jerking and belching stopped. So, I said to myself, this is what "Limp Home" is.

Any way I reached TA$$, twiddled my thumbs for an hour while TA$$ personnel filed in.

Caught hold of my contact - ramped up the vehicle and found out that all this was because the inlet hose to the intercooler had slipped off the the hose clamps.

So guys you now have the symptoms, and the next time this happens to anyone just turn the vehicle around, drive in to a TA$$, curse them for the shoddy assembly work and get them to put the hose back pronto.

Sorry again for interrupting the debate on inclines. Over to the Gurus.

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Old 16th March 2010, 18:10   #1873
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@Kingshukt > Yes Ive faced that problem once between Orissa and Vizag. I had to limp 110kms to Vizag TASS. They fixed it in 30mins. When the turbo hose comes off there is a power loss along with smoke. The Safari will be unable to exceed 80kph under the circumstances and diesel consumption too will be extremely high.


It would be a disgrace if they would provide an inclinometer instead of a real engineering solution. 5* tilt sideways is nothing. The Safari surely can be and has been subjected to more tilt. Im still waiting for the pics.
I think an inclinometer should be provided in the 4x4 Safari along with a proper engineering solution. I dont think, TML knows about this problem. Somebody ought to let them know.
Atleast the newer gen 4x4 Safaris will benefit.

Ibrahim from Pune, who joined us later in his Safari too is making good use of the 4x4. I have no complaints till date. Did 25kms off road just a few hours ago. The shift on the fly is superb. Engages amazingly well at 50kph too.

Anyone owning a Safari in coastal areas should spray used oil on the underchassis at any local service station. It will prevent rusting and the chassis and the other parts will continue to look spanking new.

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Old 16th March 2010, 18:47   #1874
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For those interested in seeing the Safari offroad, here's Ibrahim in his 4x4 VX. Some decent articulation on display for what is generally considered a softroader.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ex...tr-pune-2.html (Saturday morning OTR - Pune)
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Hi,

Car is due for its third service and i noticed a strange vibration when the car is idling at times, it vibrates as if the diesel flow is stopped and then comes back normal in a second. Most of the time my car runs atleast half tank so diesel is not the issue. Called up TASS but could not reproduce and they checked and found no errors in ECU. Noticed this vibration happening when car is idling at traffic signals as well.

Any idea? Anyone facing the same issue ? Otherwise, car runs super smooth.

Btw i rode the new 2.2 (so called 2010 version) and the clutch and gearshifting is few notches above the older 2.2s i am really impressed.

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