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Old 22nd September 2010, 01:38   #2611
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hey guys...

my clutch on my 2.2 safari seems to have given up the ghost. at the moment it is sticking and stays depressed after engaging a gear (you need to pull it back with your foot to operate it further)

also, in the morning it takes a mountain (and more) of effort at engaging the car in 1st gear, the first time that you run her. it becomes progressively better through the day.

question - is it just a clutch master cylinder fluid loss / correction OR
has my dumbkoff driver fried the ENTIRE clutch necessitating a 14000 INR clutch overhaul / change?

it might be pertinent to add that she is just shy of having run 45000 kms, and is about to proceed for her 3rd service.

cheers in advance for the answers that are bound to come flooding in!
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Old 22nd September 2010, 10:42   #2612
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Clutch not coming back looks like a master slave issue.
Its covered under extended warranty. So take her to the service center and see.
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Old 23rd September 2010, 10:47   #2613
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Guys,

I own a 4x4 TCIC but thought this thread would be appropriate to post on:

I hear a squeaking sound and a sound of something grinding from the front passenger side. On a closer look, I saw that the hub for the front passenger side wheel had a lot of grease/oil on it compared to the others which only had regular dirt/dust.

I think it would be a wheel bearing issue but not sure. It's done about 116,000 kms so far and no bearing changes yet. Also if I am going to change bearings is there something different for a 4wd Safari as compared to a 2wd given that this is a live axle. Another thing is that I don't see any increase in rolling resistance or any pull towards the left while rolling or braking.

Thoughts?

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The 4x4 wheel bearing is bloody expensive I was told, in the region of 4k or so, hence be prepared!
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my clutch ... is sticking and stays depressed after engaging a gear (you need to pull it back with your foot to operate it further)
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Clutch not coming back looks like a master slave issue.
Yes, Clutch M/C issue. Very likely that oil is leaking. Check on both sides of the firewall.
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They will just try the old-boy method; fill the gas and fit the air pressure gauge into the gas filling funnel and then see if the gas pressure reduces. If it is so then it will be a job of 1 day to detect that leak by checking the whole pipeline system. BTW, it could also be a faulty AC compressor bearing.
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The 4x4 wheel bearing is bloody expensive I was told, in the region of 4k or so, hence be prepared!
There are two things which are replaced
1. Bearing rubber seals - not covered under warranty, cost = 900
2. Bearing itself around 1000rs
So for both wheels you are looking at 4000 expense
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Old 23rd September 2010, 12:25   #2617
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Well I read it wrong. The black stuff was not grease/oil but because the brake liners were totally gone, there was metal to metal grinding on braking. Discs need to be sent to the lathe as they have significant damage due to the metal grinding. So new brake liners and now that the wheels are being opened up am going to get the wheels serviced.
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Clutch not coming back looks like a master slave issue.
Its covered under extended warranty. So take her to the service center and see.
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Yes, Clutch M/C issue. Very likely that oil is leaking.
Check on both sides of the firewall.
Its repairable and wont cost much if down outside. TASS might change the whole thing though instead of just bushes and sort.
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Updated came from the workshop.
Condensor fan will be replaced under warranty
Pipes will have to be paid.
Source of leakage of gas - Roof AC

From quite some time I had been hearing some gas sounds every time roof AC was working. Repeatedly I informed during service, and the answer given was that roof AC will always make some sound.
Looks like whatever tiny issue was there became a major issue and gas leaked.
If it had happened a month earlier I would have gotten warranty replacement!

So guys, if you have roof AC in your car and its under warranty, start using it every time you switch on AC. If any problem is building up, it will come up sooner, and you can same money
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2. Bearing itself around 1000rs
Are you 100% sure that the wheel bearing is only Rs 1,000?
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So guys, if you have roof AC in your car and its under warranty, start using it every time you switch on AC.
One related point about A/c's : we are supposed to use it atleast 5 minutes a month, to keep the internal parts from getting stuck due to non-usage. TSK's point makes sense here - use both units.
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Are you 100% sure that the wheel bearing is only Rs 1,000?
Yes, total cost for replacing both bearings without warranty is around 4000-4500
However thats for 2 bearings.
I think safari has inner and outer bearings or something like that, so cost will be 7000-8000 if all are gone(rare scenario).

In a 4x2 safari job is simple, but in a 4x4 improper job can result in 4x4 hub damage, so can't take to roadside mechanic.
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In a 4x2 safari job is simple, but in a 4x4 improper job can result in 4x4 hub damage, so can't take to roadside mechanic.
The 4x4 bearing is also different. Question of roadside garage doesn't arise - my confusion is that I clearly remember having a discussion at Autolinks & the cost was close to 4k (ONE only) which is why we decided to shelve it for the time being since there was no noise as such.
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Suman, I think they may have meant both bearings of a single wheel.
So if you replace all, cost will be around 8-9K and not 16K. Can you double check?
I will also try to dig through my service history today
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AVR - Bearing normally also means a humming sound. At 116000 kms even the bearing would be due for a replacement.

Non authorized centres sometimes get a slightly wrong size/ angle bearing fixed and this is a problem.

4X4 bearings are a different size.

The Safari bearings cost much less than those of other 4X4's except the scorpio so it's not worth complaining about. I have replaced mine thrice in 170,000 kms (including one incorrect size fitment)

You are lucky that it was the brake pad issue.

All bearings replacement with seals could cost about 10K. The rear ones are more expensive. The Oil / grease Seals are not that expensive in the outside market.
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