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Old 5th January 2012, 13:13   #4021
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Came back from a 10 day trip to Goa. Car drove perfectly fine ... no niggles, no unwanted sounds. Total distance traveled was ~1400 kms, odo now shows 5700kms, time for 2nd service.

Only problem that i faced was with the wipers not being able to clean the windshield properly and will get it checked.
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Old 5th January 2012, 19:51   #4022
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As far as my knowledge goes, just any camera wont fit.
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EDIT: And yes, I found the part details:

Part #: 269954219991.

Part Name: CCD CAMERA-CBB 808-REV.GUIDE.
Cost: Rs 12,876 Plus Tax :-)
Source of this info - look around in this thread and you will find a sheet with tata spare parts and prices


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Cool! Thank you for the heads up!
I'm still waiting for the quote from the Dealer (VST Motors) regarding the camera.

In case anyone else wants to see the excel list, check it out here.
Spares or http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...ist-spares.xls
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Old 8th January 2012, 19:13   #4023
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Default 2002 TCIC EX 4x4 Safari issues

( Please accept my apologies if I have posted this in the wrong section)
My post has two questions in it so a bit of a background before I post the queries
I own a TATA SAFARI 2002 TCIC 4x4 EX.On a recent trip to Aurangabad the alternator suddenly gave a surge of excess current thus blowing out the main fuses and in short all the electricals. Being stranded on the roadside ( and thanks to TATA not providing a circuit diagram) it took us a lot of time to get it done with the assistance of a BRILLIANT ( no sarcasm intended) mechanic. The only thing we could not fix was the engine immobiliser so we bypassed that.
Upon our return to Bombay we gave the car to the TATA MOTORS company workshop at Worli..not a dealer mind you but the company workshop.
On seeing the unit they first refused to acknowledge that it was the unit sold with the car. Only after showing them the magnetic card number and the unit serial no on the TATA motors stamped magnetic card and the device did they accept that it was an original.Fine mental assault number one dealt with...but wait for the second one.
They brazenly said that WE DON"T KNOW HOW TO REWIRE AND REPROGRAM THIS SORT OF DEVICE AS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEVICE SUCH AS THIS BEFORE "ABHI DICOR MAIN TOH AGAL HAI" and they told me to take it to the dealer service centre ( Wasan or fortune ,either)
I just cannot digest the fact that the company themselves cannot solve the problem and the attitude of the service adviser ( Mr. Parag..any one who goes to the worli workshop please proay you don't get Parag ,I have had many horrible runins with him ,his only goal is to get the car out as quick as possible if there is a problem that requires time he just says "It can't be done"
No wonder their cars don't sell as much as they should they and let me be clear I am an absolute TATA fan I support their cars ( and have owned the 206,the estate and the Safari in question) to the hilt but their service is really the dumps.

NOw my question is firstly all my previous TATA cars have had the same problem of a sudden surge in output from the alternator ,the 206 the Estate and the Safari ( it had a similar problem,,this is the second time) but each time only a part of the alternator would get affected..e.g. regulator/rectifier. Any thoughts on what might we going on,,you can instantly make out something is wrong like for instance if the AC is on the blower speeds rises dramatically on it's own the stereo volume increases the horn volumes as well.
The second question is ( and again sorry for repeating) but how can a COMPANY WORKSHOP SAY "WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS" to a degree I can digest the bad service issues and opnely admitting this is a shocker.

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Anosh.F.Dhondy

P.S. keeping in wth the context of this psot I wlould greatly appreciate if any one can provide me with the circuit diagrams for the TCIC 2002 Safari cause we use this only on highways and knowing TATA electrics things do go wrong and I don't like the way roadside guys test the current with the sparking technique
Thanks again
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Old 9th January 2012, 13:04   #4024
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Hi, Can some one please explain the causes for the following items:

1) Unable to slot the car into any gear. Sometimes it becomes very difficult to put the gear lever into any gear. Mostly experienced when the car is standing still. It is difficult to slot the gear stick into any gear. And then suddenly once it gets slotted into any random gear, then am able to slot the gear stick into any gear without any resistance. This is not only experienced during a cold start but even after the car has run for sometime, but is about to move from a stand still position.

2) I have just overhauled the car's suspension, but I continue to hear a faint dhuk - dhuk type of sound from the underbody of the car as it moves over puddles and this comes from the passenger side. I can hear this sound sitting inside a still car and if somebody pushes the body of the car from the outsideside causing it to oscillate from one side to the other.

3) Can I take off the engine cover. Its struts have become loose. Even after being replaced at the TASS, the cover has lost its original rigid fitting and vibrates. Does the engine cover have any useful function?

Thanks

PS the car is now old - over 3 years and 105k
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Old 9th January 2012, 13:40   #4025
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^^^ The engine cover would protect the rubber/plastic (tubing etc,) stuff below the cover area from the elements besides acting a partial noise and heat shield.

It is OK if it vibrates as long as it is not adding to the noise. Should be possible to get a New vibration free cover.

That said for all practical purposes there would be no major -ves to not having the cover either.

The Earlier TCIC did not have a cover like the Dicor and all that was there was the carpet like material lined under the bonnet.
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Need help with AC. Felt it wasnt efficient last day and even at night on blower setting at 2!

What all should I get checked?

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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...-warranty.html

Fixed. Brush change.
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Old 13th January 2012, 17:47   #4027
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Hi all,

I have a query with regards to engine oil change for my Safari Dicor. I recently went to bosch service center here in Goa as I want to try their service just for an oil change cause I have heard a lot of good stuff about the place.So I asked the Service advisor regarding the oil change and he gave me two options:

1) Bosch 15W40-Mineral oil (approx Rs. 325/ltr)
2) Mobil Delvac 1 5W40 -Synthetic Oil (approx 850/ ltr)

According to him the interval for oil change for the mineral oil will be between 5-6K and 10-12K for the synthetic. Well so my query now is for which oil do I go?

Bosch sounds interesting cause its light on the budget and also I dont mind changing after 5k kms. But is it good for the Safari's Dicor engine?
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Old 13th January 2012, 21:53   #4028
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NOw my question is firstly all my previous TATA cars have had the same problem of a sudden surge in output from the alternator ,the 206 the Estate and the Safari ( it had a similar problem,,this is the second time) but each time only a part of the alternator would get affected..e.g. regulator/rectifier. Any thoughts on what might we going on,,you can instantly make out something is wrong like for instance if the AC is on the blower speeds rises dramatically on it's own the stereo volume increases the horn volumes as well.
I had a similar issue on my Indigo and the problem was with the bushes of the alternator. With use, the bushes wear out and as a result of this, contact is un-even leading to voltage surges. A change of the bushes solved the problem for me.
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Old 15th January 2012, 13:18   #4029
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The hissing sound you mention is quite common in Tata cars with power steering ( had it in the Estate and my TCIC safari). It only comes at full lock, and is an part of the hydraulic power steering system. All I do is hold it back just a fraction from full lock and that's it. No need for alarm as such but advisable not to use the FULLEST lock (if you know what I mean). Huge pressure is generated whiich over a period of time can casue damage to components.
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This is a great thread for all safari owners and prospective owners.
Mine is a May 2008 2.2.

1)I noticed the Krrr sound in the second gear between 1700 to 2000 rpms.This sound was present from day one and has nearly vanished now( or is it that i have got so used to it that i do not hear it anymore!) The truck has run 5000 kms now. The TASS guys say this sound is due to the vtt(!) and is not observed in the 3L safari dicors. Need verification on this from other members.
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Plus there are some small issues like steering horn getting stuck and driver side power window being too slow and making a squeeking sound etc.

Will keep posting "events" as and when they happen

cheers!

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1) Unable to slot the car into any gear. Sometimes it becomes very difficult to put the gear lever into any gear. Mostly experienced when the car is standing still. It is difficult to slot the gear stick into any gear. And then suddenly once it gets slotted into any random gear, then am able to slot the gear stick into any gear without any resistance. This is not only experienced during a cold start but even after the car has run for sometime, but is about to move from a stand still position.
I think I probably found the answer to this problem : What causes a transmission to shift hard from first to second? - Yahoo! Answers

Any idea how much does transmission band for a Safari cost?
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Hi all,

I have a query with regards to engine oil change for my Safari Dicor. I recently went to bosch service center here in Goa as I want to try their service just for an oil change cause I have heard a lot of good stuff about the place.So I asked the Service advisor regarding the oil change and he gave me two options:

1) Bosch 15W40-Mineral oil (approx Rs. 325/ltr)
2) Mobil Delvac 1 5W40 -Synthetic Oil (approx 850/ ltr)

According to him the interval for oil change for the mineral oil will be between 5-6K and 10-12K for the synthetic. Well so my query now is for which oil do I go?

Bosch sounds interesting cause its light on the budget and also I dont mind changing after 5k kms. But is it good for the Safari's Dicor engine?
fill any 15W40, 10W40, 5W40, etc., oil with API-CH4/CI4 rating.
In a 2.2 it will be fine for 15000kms, and in a 3.0 you need to change at 10K
As for service center, they are not correct.You should change oil after every 500kms. It is very good for the health of the workshop
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Old 16th January 2012, 06:51   #4032
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Regarding your first question, get the alternator serviced at Lucas. It would cost you about Rs. 1500 if you change the bushes (recommended).

Regarding your second question, complain to Tata helpline number, get a complain number and follow up. Tata Motors corporate is pretty serious about this stuff but the dealers or the service centers are not. I have numerous instances of direct escalations. Talk to the regional manager. In one of my cases, the regional manager directly involved the vendor senior technicians not trusting their workshop may be and the problem was resolved to my satisfaction after about 12 months. So things will fall in place but you need to escalate and follow up.

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I had a similar issue on my Indigo and the problem was with the bushes of the alternator. With use, the bushes wear out and as a result of this, contact is un-even leading to voltage surges. A change of the bushes solved the problem for me.
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Regarding your first question, get the alternator serviced at Lucas. It would cost you about Rs. 1500 if you change the bushes (recommended).
Did it for 500Rs from a local AC guy.
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Hello all,
I am facing a unique issue.I had serviced my Tata Safari 2.2 VTT at K.H.T Motors Bangalore at 15000 kilometers.But they missed out an item from schedules maintainance.Similarly at 30,000 kilomoters the service was done at Concorde Motors Kochi.Even they missed out changing brake fluid at 30,000.I had faced a gearbox issue and had given the car for servicing to Focuz Motors Kochi.According to them when they checked the online records(which is mandatory for extended warranty) they found these two items missing from scheduled maintainance and informed me that they cannot process extended warranty.I have raised a complaint through online support,but i did not get any resolution yet.I am unsure what could be the course of action.
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@feewheeling: What was the item missed out at 15K and 30K. What they are saying doesn't make sense as it is the dealer's responsibility to take care of all items when you take it in for service. I can't believe this attitude of Focuz Motors. I suggest you raise a stink with Tata directly. What Focus is telling you is completely unacceptable.

An easy option is to do the warranty claim at Concorde Cochin since your service was done there and they cannot blame anyone else for missing out on a service item.
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