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Old 29th May 2012, 14:26   #4396
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Got the 4wd checked again at TASS. They've diagnosed it as a problem with sensor attached to the motor. They say that though the motor is fine, it has to be changed as the sensor comes with the motor only. Any advise on this?
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As most of you know, at 78K kms I got the clutch plate, and pressure plate of the safari changed, along with lot of gearbox components.
The clutch parts were changed at my cost. No warranty for these.
I am noticing a weird problem now after driving on this new clutch for around 300kms

The clutch has gotten harder. I was expecting hardness to come in after 10,000kms of driving, but its come soon.

Secondly, the clutch engages much deeper.
When I press clutch, for the first half of pedal travel, clutch is not engaged at all, its only after half of the pedal travel, clutch engages(actually near the bottom). This makes traffic crawl a painful process.

Is there some kind of adjustment done so that clutch engages sooner?
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Old 30th May 2012, 11:04   #4398
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Is there some kind of adjustment done so that clutch engages sooner?
Yes, there is always a means to adjust exactly where the clutch 'action' starts.
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Old 30th May 2012, 11:20   #4399
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Hi Guys

Got the 4wd checked again at TASS. They've diagnosed it as a problem with sensor attached to the motor. They say that though the motor is fine, it has to be changed as the sensor comes with the motor only. Any advise on this?
If you can find out who the manufacturer is and check if they provide the sensor or can repair it themselves, will save a lot of costs otherwise you need salvage the motor from a seconds spare market near you.

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The clutch has gotten harder. I was expecting hardness to come in after 10,000kms of driving, but its come soon.

Secondly, the clutch engages much deeper.
When I press clutch, for the first half of pedal travel, clutch is not engaged at all, its only after half of the pedal travel, clutch engages(actually near the bottom). This makes traffic crawl a painful process.

Is there some kind of adjustment done so that clutch engages sooner?
I am not sure if you have replaced your Slave cylinder along with the clutch, if not you should and you can also try with some bleeding of the clutch first.
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I am not sure if you have replaced your Slave cylinder along with the clutch, if not you should and you can also try with some bleeding of the clutch first.
Slave cylinder was replaced few 1000kms back.
So this time it was not replaced.
Anyways, I will take it to service center, and get clutch application level adjusted. The problem with extended warranty is that they do not authorize to replace anything unless your car is dead.

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Hi Guys

Got the 4wd checked again at TASS. They've diagnosed it as a problem with sensor attached to the motor. They say that though the motor is fine, it has to be changed as the sensor comes with the motor only. Any advise on this?
Hi Param, please call me on 09884427713. I will give you a contact to call in Borg Warner who makes the Transfer case for the Safari. He maybe of help. I cannot PM you and I don't want to post that person's mobile number on the forum hence this post.
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Slave cylinder was replaced few 1000kms back.
So this time it was not replaced.
Anyways, I will take it to service center, and get clutch application level adjusted. The problem with extended warranty is that they do not authorize to replace anything unless your car is dead.
IIRC, its a hydraulic clutch and they can only bleed it, no tweaking is possible, but you can recheck it.
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He mentioned there is a camber problem and it has to be fixed by the service center.
I had the same issue when my Safari was new - multiple re-alignments later, TASS discovered the root cause. Nothing serious - they should be able to adjust this in an hour or so by adding/removing shims. This is a common issue with new Safaris (as well as most SUVs, so was I told).
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IIRC, its a hydraulic clutch and they can only bleed it, no tweaking is possible, but you can recheck it.
For the first half of the clutch travel the clutch does not engage at all. Only near the bottom, it engages, and the clutch window is very less. So speed control in traffic jams is tough. You are saying this behavior cannot be changed? Why did this behavior come after changing clutch and pressure plate?
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Guys, need an urgent help. Today I could not slot the car into any gear while the engine was on. I could slot it into all gears after switching the engine off, and I could also start the car by pressing the clutch in any gear and then by releasing the clutch the car was travelling fine.

What could be the problem?

The car is in the service center now and the service advisor is pressing for a clutch assembly change for Rs. 15k. There was no slippage though, although the clutch was hard.

Please help.

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What could be the problem?
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Clutch not disengaging fully with the pedal pressed right down.
Needs adjustment.
Hydraulically operated clutches can ALL be adjusted; please do not believe anyone that tells you they cannot be.

If there was no reason to believe the clutch was slipping, avoid the renewal at this stage.
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For the first half of the clutch travel the clutch does not engage at all. Only near the bottom, it engages, and the clutch window is very less. So speed control in traffic jams is tough. You are saying this behavior cannot be changed? Why did this behavior come after changing clutch and pressure plate?
tsk, IMO bleeding should resolve this issue otherwise there is some issue with Master/Slave cylinder.

OT :
I recently came across this website http://www.tatapartsindia.com/index.html.
its in Punjabi bagh, New Delhi. Has anybody have more info about this company/shop.

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What could be the problem?
Please help.
The problem could be with the clutch release bearing that's what I suspect. Or might be with the pressure plate in any case the clutch will have tobe opened.
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Here is a link that I found. I think it suggests to a bad clutch plate/pressure plate.

Troubleshooting - Clutch

Is it possible to change only the affected part or do we have to change the entire assembly?
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Here is a link that I found. I think it suggests to a bad clutch plate/pressure plate.

Troubleshooting - Clutch

Is it possible to change only the affected part or do we have to change the entire assembly?
Its a single assembly for pressure plates, you need to change it and I would also suggest to change the Slave cylinder also since its going to be opened.
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