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Old 21st June 2012, 18:43   #4456
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I have been facing some difficulty in shifting gears to 1st and 2nd during a stop-n-go (city) driving conditions. It was very hard to slot in. The rest of the gears are smooth. During 30K service, the technicians failed to root cause, but claimed all is well. And that the same evening only I noticed its persistence.

The vehicle is back in the service center. They have drained the gear oil and refilled but still the problem is there, they have plans to inspect the clutch tomorrow.

What could have gone wrong? Anyone experienced this before?
In the last 1 month, I used to nudge the car from the 3rd gear to easily shift to 1st. Was such a pain driving in Bangalore traffic.

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They even tried to fix this? I have this from day one on my 3L. Slotting in first gear is not smooth. I was told that its normal with all safaris. I checked it with a very senior guy at Tata and same was the reply. I have noticed it in all 2.2s I have driven including test drive vehicles. One difference though. My experience is that in 3Ls, slotting in 1st is sometimes an issue and in 2.2s, slotting in 2nd is the issue :-)

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Old 21st June 2012, 22:59   #4457
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They even tried to fix this? I have this from day one on my 3L. Slotting in first gear is not smooth. I was told that its normal with all safaris. I checked it with a very senior guy at Tata and same was the reply. I have noticed it in all 2.2s I have driven including test drive vehicles. One difference though. My experience is that in 3Ls, slotting in 1st is sometimes an issue and in 2.2s, slotting in 2nd is the issue :-)
That's .. me not feeling good at all. :(

Few days after my 30K service, Concorde sent a mechanic to my home (they do this randomly) and said the same thing, and I felt irritated by that generalization. But the gears were all perfect as butter until about 2 months ago. Don't know what changed!!!

Now I hope the service guys don't screw it up further.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 10:15   #4458
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That's .. me not feeling good at all. :(

Few days after my 30K service, Concorde sent a mechanic to my home (they do this randomly) and said the same thing, and I felt irritated by that generalization. But the gears were all perfect as butter until about 2 months ago. Don't know what changed!!!

Now I hope the service guys don't screw it up further.
Dont worry it wont get worse...it will stay like that forever ...In Tata's language, its a feature sir, not a problem
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Old 22nd June 2012, 11:21   #4459
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They even tried to fix this? I have this from day one on my 3L. Slotting in first gear is not smooth. I was told that its normal with all safaris. ...
I get that intermittently. My solution was a quick tap on the accelerator. If there is no time to think, it is better to slot into 2nd and modulate clutch - not a good solution, but better than nothing.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 11:25   #4460
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I had the gear shifting problem. Shifters and synchros were changed, and now its much better. That said the gearshift of the safari is inherently notchy.

On a related note, looks like Tata is not really learning much. A friend got a new safari few months back. Recently he took his palio to a mountain trip. I asked why not the safari?

Well, his safari went to limp mode one day before the trip. Diagnostic showed only 3 cylinders were firing.

Eventually ECU and couple of injectors had to be replaced.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 16:59   #4461
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so my apologies. I do not hate safari, but these niggles have been weighing on me for a long time.

I just need advice from experienced safari owners on deciding a purchase decision. I am already owning a diesel hatch, but need a larger car to pull together my big family for occasional very long trips (ie. +1000 Kms). It often requires to go though bad stretches (ie. mud, slush, steep inclines) where a 4wd will be of great assistance. My budget is around 10L. After all these months reading through so many posts, I am thinking of getting a second hand Safari 4wd. I have an offer from a dealer, on a self driven Safari EX 4x4 (2010) driven 29K at 7L (non-negotable).

I also have an option of stretching a bit more and go for a new Scorpio lx 4wd. After reading on many places of niggling issues in Safari and its reliability in question (when infact needed) I am edging more towards Scorpio. Although the storme is near release, I am pretty sure, it would not be close to my budget. A new safar vx 4wd is also out of question. Let me know what Safari lovers say. Heart says go for Safari, Head says Scorpio. Even though its way less comfortable, its more reliable when driving a family across large distances and obsolete locations.

I know some of you guys have traveled length and breadth and have been in odd situations. I just want to learn from your experience and take a good decision.
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I am thinking of getting a second hand Safari 4wd. I have an offer from a dealer, on a self driven Safari EX 4x4 (2010) driven 29K at 7L (non-negotable).
If i was you, will surely think of purchasing the beast but the price is on the little bit higher side because you get very well maintained event for 6 lakhs due to the less Resale value but you can also stretch for used Scorpios/ Boleros which are 4*4

again as i said if i was you i might have cracked a better deal with a safari.

i own a 2006 safari 3l and all this niggles are common even in a new vehicle and nothing major has been done on my beast till now.
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I have an offer from a dealer, on a self driven Safari EX 4x4 (2010) driven 29K at 7L (non-negotable).
Get it fully checked and check the service history. Give it a good look, and if comfortable, you can pick it up. Even better if it has extended wty.

The Storme will be a new vehicle, and will be better to wait a bit before getting one. Even then, the price would be at least 12L for that ?
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How do I figure out if my suspension is faulty? I am at 60K now and while driving over rough roads or humps, I get a feeling that it is a lot more jerky than it used to be (There is no much cushioning effect) . Is this an indication of a faulty suspension?

The experts there out there please help me to figure out.
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Mod team note: Dotty post! Proper punctuation helps with readability.


Thanks Speedy_racer. I tried to get it done from the local mechanic but dont think he is capable enough, he replaced the gas but it leaked second time in two days, seems there is a leak in a joint in the pipe. I think this is the one connected to the compressor (my guess), he couldnt buy a new one so tried a welding solution, but it didnt work the pipe leaked again, have already paid him 2k, but am thinking about taking it to TASS now, coz i dont want to get a pipe replaced from this guy....

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How do I figure out if my suspension is faulty? I am at 60K now and while driving over rough roads or humps, I get a feeling that it is a lot more jerky than it used to be (There is no much cushioning effect) . Is this an indication of a faulty suspension?
At around 60k kms, even the tyres would have worn out by about 75 %, so the ride quality is definitely not as good as in a newer vehicle, but there is no harm in getting the suspension checked, usually at 60k kms the suspension bushes are replaced.
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Get it fully checked and check the service history. Give it a good look, and if comfortable, you can pick it up. Even better if it has extended wty.

The Storme will be a new vehicle, and will be better to wait a bit before getting one. Even then, the price would be at least 12L for that ?
the price is really good for such a vehicle.

when you check service history, make sure everything recommended and required is done. Even a small miss in service can lead to voiding of extended warranty.
Also if the vehicle has lot of part replacement (retro), its a good think, as you will get a ¨fixed" safari.
That said, make sure there are no funny noises from transfer case or while in 4WD. Its a very expensive part, and repairs cost a bomb.

Last but not the least, ,make sure vehicle has extended warranty!
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The Condenser Fan of my 3.0L has conked off. Although the cooling is sufficient when the car is running but it reduces when stationary. Could anyone post the cost of repairs or replacement of Condenser fan?
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The Condenser Fan of my 3.0L has conked off. Although the cooling is sufficient when the car is running but it reduces when stationary. Could anyone post the cost of repairs or replacement of Condenser fan?
It cost me about Rs. 3.5k about 2 years back. Don't remember the labor part though.
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The Condenser Fan of my 3.0L has conked off. Although the cooling is sufficient when the car is running ...
Isn't the AC supposed to stop working when the CF conks off? That's what happens when it's fuse blows (used to, quite often, till I replaced the usual 10A fuse with a 15A one).
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