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Old 6th October 2012, 09:30   #4801
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Safari experts, need an info. Where can i locate the slave cylinder of clutch on safari. Do i need to remove the under guards to get access? Has anyone performed a fluid change and bleeding on clutch. My 2 yr old beast has done 70K and has little heavy clutch. TASC has only one solution. "Change clutch".
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Safari experts, need an info. Where can i locate the slave cylinder of clutch on safari. Do i need to remove the under guards to get access? Has anyone performed a fluid change and bleeding on clutch. My 2 yr old beast has done 70K and has little heavy clutch. TASC has only one solution. "Change clutch".
I recently changed the Slave cylinder and it costed somewhere around 800-900 Rs at TASC. My clutch has too become hard and it is due to pressure plates being worn out as per TASC and due to the wornout pressure plates the last cylinder leaked and I had to change to a new one. The clutch is still hard and TASC is saying, next time if leak happens I will have to change the clutch and the cost they told me was around 8-9K (anybody please confirm this for 3.0L DICOR).
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Safari experts, need an info. Where can i locate the slave cylinder of clutch on safari. Do i need to remove the under guards to get access? Has anyone performed a fluid change and bleeding on clutch. My 2 yr old beast has done 70K and has little heavy clutch. TASC has only one solution. "Change clutch".
You need to remove the guards to access the Slave cylinder. Fluid change and bleeding can be easily done. You can try changing the Slave cylinder and bleeding first before going for a clutch change.
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Right behind/under the exhaust shield/exhaust, when viewed from right of the engine bay, there is a 2 inch rubber pipe which is part of the cooling system.

That pipe has a small pin prick sized leak from where a fine spray of coolant comes out when the system is hot and pressurized.

I am wondering how to seal it.
What if I can somehow find a small rubber puncture seal, stick it on, and then wrap with duct tape?

What else? The nearest workshop is far away, and I am in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 6th October 2012, 21:44   #4805
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Hi Safari Gurus,

Today i saw a weird thing in my Safari, Temperature gauge needle stays at the far left (Starting point) when vehicle is started and moves in the centre after some time. Other thing is there is noticeable increase in hiss sound at full steering lock. The hiss noise is there since start but now it is very audible.

Any pointers what went wrong? Please suggest.

-Ijeet

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Hi Safari Gurus,

Today i saw a weird thing in my Safari, Temperature gauge needle stays at the far left (Starting point) when vehicle is started and moves in the centre after some time. Other thing is there is noticeable increase in hiss sound at full steering lock. The hiss noise is there since start but now it is very audible.

Any pointers what went wrong? Please suggest.

-Ijeet
Both things you mentioned are perfectly normal for every car

The hiss sound is nothing but the hydraulic power steering fluid flushing noise. Very much normal.
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Right behind/under the exhaust shield/exhaust, when viewed from right of the engine bay, there is a 2 inch rubber pipe which is part of the cooling system.

That pipe has a small pin prick sized leak from where a fine spray of coolant comes out when the system is hot and pressurized.

I am wondering how to seal it.
What if I can somehow find a small rubber puncture seal, stick it on, and then wrap with duct tape?

What else? The nearest workshop is far away, and I am in the middle of nowhere.
The puncture seal is a good idea, but I am not sure about the duct tape as it is near the hot end of the engine. So you would probably have to assess the possibility of fire. Another idea might be to first put something like water proof m-seal over the hole first and then put the puncture seal over it. In that case, you might not need to duct tape it.

BTW, where are you (now)?
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Both things you mentioned are perfectly normal for every car

The hiss sound is nothing but the hydraulic power steering fluid flushing noise. Very much normal.
Looks like I was not able to convey it properly. The Temp needle is coming to center after 4-5 Kms which was never the case. it use to jump to middle once the car is started.

Regarding PS hiss sound, as I said its always been there and I know its normal but since past few days it is sounding way higher than it use to, so something must have changed, just that I am not sure whether its normal. BTW I have Feb11 Safari GX.

Hope this make sense now.

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Looks like I was not able to convey it properly. The Temp needle is coming to center after 4-5 Kms which was never the case. it use to jump to middle once the car is started.

Regarding PS hiss sound, as I said its always been there and I know its normal but since past few days it is sounding way higher than it use to, so something must have changed, just that I am not sure whether its normal. BTW I have Feb11 Safari GX.

Hope this make sense now.

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On a cold start in morning or with cold engine needle will gradually go to mid mark after 4-5 kms. When the engine is hot, say you shut down the engine on signal and restart the car then the needle immediately jumps to middle mark.
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On a cold start in morning or with cold engine needle will gradually go to mid mark after 4-5 kms. When the engine is hot, say you shut down the engine on signal and restart the car then the needle immediately jumps to middle mark.
No Amit,

Its not very cold here in Bangalore and for some reason my vehicle never did this. It use to jump to center at every start irrespective of cold or hot.

I am confused.

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Safari experts, need an info. Where can i locate the slave cylinder of clutch on safari. Do i need to remove the under guards to get access? Has anyone performed a fluid change and bleeding on clutch. My 2 yr old beast has done 70K and has little heavy clutch. TASC has only one solution. "Change clutch".
70k is a decent mileage for a clutch overhaul
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Safari experts, need an info. Where can i locate the slave cylinder of clutch on safari. Do i need to remove the under guards to get access? Has anyone performed a fluid change and bleeding on clutch. My 2 yr old beast has done 70K and has little heavy clutch. TASC has only one solution. "Change clutch".
Take to another T.A.S.S and directly ask them to replace clutch fluid.
Labor cost is 450 Rs and another 200 Rs or so for DOT3 fluid.
You can get the break fluid also changed in same labor.

DOT3 and DOT4 fluids are hygroscopic and should be changed after 2 years or so.
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No Amit,

Its not very cold here in Bangalore and for some reason my vehicle never did this. It use to jump to center at every start irrespective of cold or hot.

I am confused.

-Ijeet
It's a standard feature in all dicors. I had the same query when i bought mine few months back and now is my time to console the ones who are posting it here
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Just an update on the black smoke. My wife saw the service light coming on (stayed for an hour) which after a restart, went off. I got the ECU errors checked and found the two errors:
1. something to do with clutch where in it was showing that the clutch always engaged.
2. AMF error (sorry, forgot the full form).

For the AMF error, we checked the cable that was connected to the Air filter, it was eaten up rats a few months back but then I had gotten it fixed (got the wires shorted). Looks like that was the one causing the issue. We reopened it, got the wires shorted properly and got the clutch play right (I am not sure what was wrong) and now for the past 2 weeks I haven't seen black smoke coming out.

I hope that I won't get into any issues, our journeys are going to start after an year and a half's lull in between!

@amitk26: The new place that you suggested, hasn't started at all. I wanted to get the ECU errors checked but they didn't have the laptop. Looks like they will take a few more weeks to be fully functional.

Cheers!
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70k is a decent mileage for a clutch overhaul
Thanks ankur. Actually i was running on my company stock tyres. Changing clutch before my tyres made me think.
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