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Old 18th June 2013, 12:55   #5191
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The water seeps in from somewhere, I am unable to identify. It happens only when the car is parked in rain. The wet (driver side & passenger side front only) mats drive me crazy. Ay idea from where the water might be entering in the car?
It should be either the scuttle panel below the wipers or the door beadings gone bad.

Try to trace the water marks and see if they originate from below the dash or from the sides...
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Rajeev,
Today, I had been to Sparkle car spa at Forum. But the guy did not give 100% guarantee of removal of all the scratches. Hence did not take chance there.
Went to J.C Road, enquired couple of vendors.
One windshield (had a TATA logo on that glass) was costing me Rs 3300 + Rs 1000 fitting charges. But some person told that these glasses are local one with the TATA logo.
Hence enquired with other vendor. He also told me the same story and suggested me to go with Pilkington glass which is antiglare which cost me Rs 5000 (Including fitting).

He did not change the beading. Instead he fit the glass with the same old beading. Fitting is fine and it was done along with my supervision.

Is this brand (Pilkington) for the windshield fine ?
I am also in market looking for replacing my Safari's windshield. I enquired about glass in local market . 3000 for some chinese glass and 5000 for tata logo asahi glass. Not sure which glass should i go for. He was telling me he will use the same glue which TASS uses. What should I consider before replacing glass. What type of glass, antiglare..
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I am also in market looking for replacing my Safari's windshield. I enquired about glass in local market . 3000 for some chinese glass and 5000 for tata logo asahi glass. Not sure which glass should i go for. He was telling me he will use the same glue which TASS uses. What should I consider before replacing glass. What type of glass, antiglare..
Go for the Asahi glass. The cheap chinese glass must be 'tempered glass' which is like toughened glass. Although, they can resist more force, but when they break, they can shatter all around the place resulting in severe injury. OTOH, laminated glasses, might be little fragile as compared to tempered ones, but mostly do no scatter in case of breakage, hence they are much safer.

Also, I have noticed that these cheap glasses put a lot more strain on eyes even while daytime driving due to sunlight. Laminated glasses surely cut the glare too.

Makes no sense to go for the cheaper glass, even if was priced at half what it is now Go ahead with Asahi Laminated glass.

The sealant must be put around properly so that there is no water leakage. A good & experienced workshop or TASS should do the job well. Recommend the TASS, as the cost of the windshield in FULL will be covered by the insurance company. I think you might have to pay for the sealant though. Labor charges will be most likely covered by the insurance too.

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I had gone to 5th service of mu Tata safari gx. I had no issues with the car except a wire cut by rat , The ABS harness on the right side under hood and the glow plug wire.
The service provider did the necessary all the things. I had engine flush and regular change.
Now when i went to take the delivery the engine check light showed. The person scanned with an hand scanner and not a laptop. Following was the err code

p2015 swirl feedback fault
inperr/ctlerr/ctlrng

Now can anyone shed some lift on this and what must be my approach. The supervisor is known to me and will take any suggestions provided. The computer guy told that the software needs to be flushed and its not a major thing , but the supervisor told me that he will again check everything and only then release the car.

The person told me that after the wiring is repaired the connection to ecu must be reset, so only deleting the code is not enough. I also informed him about the air intake manifold as mentioned in on thread here on Pg 273.

I had no issues with the car before service in pickup or anything.

So if you have any suggestions please put forth.

On this thread previously i have read on Pg273 that somebody with similar problem had diagnosed the issue to some tumble valve after much scrutiny

Any help appreciated

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These are minor scratches caused by dirt particles. A sort of swirl marks. But majority of them were created when I tried to eliminate the hard water marks on the windshield. Anyways today I am going to the Windshield experts suggested by jkDas. Will post the update later.
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This is bit late but my Safari windshield had similar swirls caused by the cleaning guys as they do a bucket wash with cloth which is often dirty.
I got it buffed at Trend Automobiles ( A thread exists in T-BHP directory about them ) They charged 900 Rs and vision is fully restored.
Now I have given strict instructions to the cleaning guys for not touching the windshield and not even throwing water on it.
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I had gone to 5th service of mu Tata safari gx. I had no issues with the car except a wire cut by rat , The ABS harness on the right side under hood and the glow plug wire.
The service provider did the necessary all the things. I had engine flush and regular change.
Now when i went to take the delivery the engine check light showed. The person scanned with an hand scanner and not a laptop. Following was the err code

p2015 swirl feedback fault
inperr/ctlerr/ctlrng
Any help appreciated
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post2672973

Its a generic code related to Intake Manifold.

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The water seeps in from somewhere, I am unable to identify. It happens only when the car is parked in rain. The wet (driver side & passenger side front only) mats drive me crazy. Ay idea from where the water might be entering in the car?
Try silicon sealant on RHS corner just under the bonnet. I had the same issue and this was suggest and it worked!

Learned something new last week. Dont let the mud dry after you have done your off roading etc Its really really messes up the alignment that you would be be able to drive the Safari at 50-60kms up.
Simple reason; wheel balancing goes wrong coz mud would have dried up behind the alloys.

I might have posted pix too. Else will try to.

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Thanks mr jk das, i had already read the thread. I have a new problem, it seems everytime i go to TASS for service i have to make 7-8 rounds back as new problems creep up. I took the delivery last evening and the guy told that the problem is solved as the codes were reset but he found a new problem with ignition unit which has some loose connection. He said it is not a problem as one would need go change entire assembly, only sometimes check engine light would come and go or headlights wont function. I told him i had a problem with headlights not turning on, sometimes but when i had told them previously they told it was due to water getting in relay during washing, but i never had check engine light Now yesterday evening i took car back home in Some heavy traffic but did not get the light. Today morning when i cranked the car the check engine light came and does not seem to go. There is no issue in car function or driving. The guy has again called me on monday. I do not doubt their willingness to help but its a pain and frustration every time one has to go back to tass after service. Sometimes i feel its better not to service. I try and keep things minimal but each time something new crops up

Now i would like to know if there is a software where i can hook up a laptop and check the codes for myself.

I find this tass guys a bit less knowledgable. Last time i had a issue with point of glow plug melting and this guys could not figure it for one year and i am talking about 3 tass stations. The check engine light used to cone suddenly when driving and go on its own. Finally i had a meeting with an owner of one Tass station who took personal interest and solved it within minutes

I have read about obd 2 scanners in dadus thread but i am not sure which to buy. I would be grateful as it will help me not loose sleep over this matter

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Hello


I have just bought the following from ebay after some searching on the net

http://cgi.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...#ht_3394wt_922

Will this work with appropriate software on android phone or pc. I heard scan xl or obd doctor is good
My basic requirement is understanding ecu codes


By the way just to add this time i had done engine wax coating to prevent rats. Can that do some messing with ecu transmission or airflow intake valves??

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Here is an complete update to my issue. I would like your suggestions

I gave my car for service on wed 17/06/13. I had no issues except rat wire cut of ABS and glow plug. Following was done
1>Wire repair
2>Engine oil change and flush
3>Routine check
4>Engine waxing.
This was my 5th free service

Now i went to collect the car on friday morning 19/06/13. As i sat in the car with advisor for trial he got MIL lamp. He applied the obi scanner and got p2015 error. he consulted the tech after a trial and delete of codes multiple times but the MIL persisted. The tech told that the software needs to be updated as inform by tata and he called me again in the evening

In the evening i was informed that the software is upgraded and the error gone but i had some error with ignition assembly which was minor and sometimes the head light won't turn up and sometimes the MIL may come and go. I informed them that headlights not switching on was a problem from when i bought the car which they had earlier said there was some loose connection in relay in fuse box and i must re insert it. Though it was never a major issue i did not bother but i never got MIL

Anyways i went home in some heavy traffic and the MIL did not show. Next morning when i got up and put the ignition to on the MIL lamp did not go. I got a bit worried as if i had another rat attack or what?. But i had to leave my dad so i went ahead and did not see any apparent difference in pickup or running. I called my advisor who told me to get the car back to him on monday 22/06/13. I again took the car in the evening out for test and the MIL was there. I did not notice any apparent change in driving apart from slight stutter when engine on idle at signal but it could be my worry and scrutiny.

Anyways I went to TASS today and contacted the head who put me unto the technical guy. I had read the previous thread and knew a bit about Air manifold inlet and p2015 error and I informed the same to the guy. the guy told me that they had previously changed the entire assembly like this in many cars and after that they got an intimation from tata that they need to update the software and if the error still persist only than change. He first checked for wire cut by rat and did not find any. he touched the air inlet under the hood and said its motor is not functioning but he needs to take a trial as it would be apparent only on speeds of 70-80 as the main function is to deal with turbo air and pickup and it does not has any bearing with engine function and wont stop the car. It also has something to do with pollution norms in BS4 cars.

he erased the error and when the engine was cranked this time no MIL.he did it 2-3 times an no MIL. he took car for a drive and worked unto 70-90 speeds and no MIL no errors on computer.No drop in pickup nothing.

he told me that maybe its intermittently functioning maybe no, difficult to tell. He told me to give th car run for few days , observe and if light goes and come inform and if required he will change it under extended warranty but he says if that is not a problem than even after changing the light appears it would be futile.

My observation is

Both times after the errors were deleted and did not appear car was well heated, i mean test driven
1st time when it was at TASS in the evening when i went for pickup
2nd time i had bought the car to TASS today

I feel after the car is run and then the error is deleted it does not appear even if its started stopped any number of times
Now if the car is cold overnight, then MIL appears and it would remains till erased
Though I do not have data for this i will again observe tomorrow morning .


I would like your opinion on my observations and your comments. Any help appreciated

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@lodhra insist them to change the part under extended warranty and insisit that they need to solve the warning by whatever means
and write to Tata motors customer care.

Actually extended warranty is an insurance policy with United India Insurance and they are very reluctant to change anything under it.

My Safari has very hard clutch since begning till 2 Years they kept on showing me pressure gague saying it is normal at around 30K and after initial warranty told me clutch needs to be replaced at my cost.
There was no slippage in clutch and I know clutch is not a problem but they just want to experiment at my cost so I refused.
Now my vehicle has done 50K+ KM and it is out of extended warranty as well and clutch is still good with no slippage and loss of speed but hard and I have learnt to live with hard clutch.
So moral of the story let them play and experiment at their own money and fully resolve the issue before it runs out of extended warranty.
Else the day extended warranty is over they will insist whole assembly needs to be changed.
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amit thanks a lot

the tech guy there gave me the card and told me he will teplace it under warrant i still have one year of warranty extended left
he told me to observe and report as he is not sure that part is faulty
the issue is when he erased the error it did not replicate even after hard test
there is no drop in puck up or anything
as observed he said that air intake error will show up regardless of deleting error so he told me to test drive and report whenever i feel
if i am still not comfortable he will replace

the issue is to my queries
as observed
the error ones deleted does not appear on any abuse if the error is deleted after the car has run like for ex i drove with the error to tass and he deleted and then did not recur
same happened when i took my delivery in evening ad the error has been deleted after car was warm

both time mil showed up was in the morning when car was still
once the errot is registered it does not go till deleted

this is just my observation

has anyone any pointers to car warm up and i would say phantom p2015 swirl feedback error


the trch guy told me he has replaced many units but in them the error was constant and would show up even after erase

in my case it is peculiar because there is no way to replicate the error and even when error is there the concerned performance is not affected

so his conclusion is either its a phantom error so test drive till one can find exact pattern
or the air intake manifold moror is working sometimes sometimrs not

or it may be a complete diff error not related and hence even if he changes the manifold it may still persist
he said its an integrated unit so one cannot try and use a spare and check if the error is not constant as if thete is some other issue the change of parts wld be a waste


i am going to again check tomm and see

i have also ordered a obd scanner chip so i cam delete the error and check my theory

but any help from you guys is appreciated
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Try silicon sealant on RHS corner just under the bonnet. I had the same issue and this was suggest and it worked!

I might have posted pix too. Else will try to.[/quote]

RHS corner of the bonnet? windshield side?
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Can someone please post oem and part number of oil filter and fuel filter of 2.2 vtt dicor?
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Can someone please post oem and part number of oil filter and fuel filter of 2.2 vtt dicor?
G254718130115, OIL FILTER, Rs.875.11/-
253409110117, ASSY. FUEL FILTER DELPHI, Rs.1,592.14/-
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G254718130115, OIL FILTER, Rs.875.11/-
253409110117, ASSY. FUEL FILTER DELPHI, Rs.1,592.14/-
Thanks who is OEM for oil filter ?
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