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Old 31st July 2013, 15:27   #5251
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Tata claims not to use these additives on Dicor engines ->
http://customercare.tatamotors.com/service/fuelAdd.asp

I never tried any additives ever, like to learn from others experience.
My 2.2 dicor has done 50K already.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. TASS sells the Bardhal fuel additive, and earlier used to sell System D. So these are 'safe to use', but use only if needed.

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Old 31st July 2013, 15:56   #5252
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. TASS sells the Bardhal fuel additive, and earlier used to sell System D. So these are 'safe to use', but use only if needed.

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Thanks! You see these additives are preventive methods and one cannot wait until it broke. So the question is how do we know 'these' are needed?
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Sorry, no personal experience, but, this link http://www.obd-codes.com/p0108 has good info. Looks like manifold vacuum is compromised or sensor is acting up.

-BJ
Thanks, The error is same due to MAF sensor. This error crops up only when the car is taken above 2.3K. the red line is 3K in DICOR 3.0L. While the MAF sensor is new ( It was burnt while the fire accident happened with the car) I think that some vacuum is leaking from one of the hoses.

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Thanks Saket for the pointer. My friend got his vehicle back with replaced speedo meter gear, speedo meter sensor and one more part which I could not quite catch over the phone when he told me. Anyways, I have asked him to send me a scanned copy of the service bill. I shall upload it here for the benefit of others who get in to similar issues (I sincerely hope no one gets, actually)

The issue looks to be fixed as of now. Though we had to do follow-ups, use the 'complaint button' on Tata Motors website etc for the delay in getting the parts, the car is finally back. My friend agreed to keep me posted on the issue as well.
My friend confirmed that the issue is fixed; no more speedo meter related issues and check engine indications! The TASS did a good job this time.

Please find below the details of the repair cost:

Assy Rear Cover - 986/-
Assy GS ever w/Rubber Dampeners (SAF 2.2L) - 742/-
Oil seal Main Shaft - 232/-
Shim 0.125mm - 6.99/-
Vehicle Speed Sensor (facelift) - 1417/-
Labour Charges - 1000/-

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Thanks! You see these additives are preventive methods and one cannot wait until it broke. So the question is how do we know 'these' are needed?
I am a regular system D user, and i have noticed a decent improvement in engine noise, smoke and pickup with system D. I strongly recommend it.
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Old 5th August 2013, 17:54   #5256
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""ADDITIVES""

Used an additive from 3M recently followed by an "Engine Flush" at TASS on the 45k service, for which they charged around 750/-. Was able to notice a significant smoothness in engine run after both.

However this followed by an emergency refuelling from one of the most adulterated Petrol Pumps in Pune (these are my experinces). Diesel was only of 1000/-. The smoke emmission has increased significantly, when the engine comes out of the so called Dead Zone of 1500-1600 RPM, making a krrrrr sound.
Wating for Next refuel, waiting for my fuel guage to drop as much as possible...

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Old 6th August 2013, 10:49   #5257
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Default Both 4H & 4L ON indicating malfunction

Yesterday when I started for my long drive I noticed both 4H & 4L glowing indicating a malfunction, but after restart it was gone and so I proceeded as planned. But midway after a stop for refreshments (A2B Dharmapuri) both 4H 4L came ON again and didn't go even after a engine restart.

Safely moved it to 4H and rolled the car for about 50 mts forward and backward, brought it back to 2H and repeated the rolls but didn't help.

Mounted the front on the jack, engaged the gear, front wheel rolled freely so continued my journey to Bangalore. No error codes were found in main ECU (i have a bluetooth OBD2 scanner). I am hoping the 4x4 ECU itself is not kaput.

I intend to take the car to TASS ASAP. Question is what could have gone wrong.

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Default re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

Does anyone know of a mechanic who is a specialist in Tata Safaris in Bangalore? KHT motors is useless for anything other than standard servicing,Prerna Motors have moved out of the city to Peenya (I live in Whitefield). My Safari (3 .0L Dicor VX) has 90K on the odo.It rattles like crazy! The front passenger seat rattles -the KHT guys say the entire seat assembly needs o be replaced!
The suspension,the doors etc need to be serviced.Would really like to contact a mechanic who can fix things.
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Old 6th August 2013, 16:35   #5259
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Does anyone know of a mechanic who is a specialist in Tata Safaris in Bangalore? KHT motors is useless for anything other than standard servicing,Prerna Motors have moved out of the city to Peenya (I live in Whitefield). My Safari (3 .0L Dicor VX) has 90K on the odo.It rattles like crazy! The front passenger seat rattles -the KHT guys say the entire seat assembly needs o be replaced!
The suspension,the doors etc need to be serviced.Would really like to contact a mechanic who can fix things.
If it is only the seat, maybe a good seat upholstery guy can fix ? Not sure about Whitefield, but there is a good guy near the Hennur Road / ORR Junction in Kachrakhanahalli. opp. south motors - the merc only mechanic.
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...I noticed both 4H & 4L glowing indicating a malfunction, ... Question is what could have gone wrong.
Most likely, moisture/water on the connectors- result of water wading or spray wash under belly? It should go away after it dries up.

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Most likely, moisture/water on the connectors- result of water wading or spray wash under belly? It should go away after it dries up.

-BJ
Thank you, can you please point me to the exact location that I should look at?

And another problem :( The right side head lamp has moisture inside. This was something I dreaded ever since it appeared after a DIY lamp replaceent in my Palio (2004). Nothing was changed to the Safari head lamps and absolutely no cracks.
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...can you please point me to the exact location that I should look at?...
Front transfer case connections- there are wires underneath the chassis. You have to remove the engine guard (underbody) and look. It is right under driver's seat. May be you could crawl under and try to see/feel obvious dampness or loose connections.

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No error codes were found in main ECU (i have a bluetooth OBD2 scanner).
Sorry OT: If you dont mind can you share the details of the OBD2 scanner, which make and how much did it cost?

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Front transfer case connections- there are wires underneath the chassis. You have to remove the engine guard (underbody) and look. It is right under driver's seat. May be you could crawl under and try to see/feel obvious dampness or loose connections.

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Took it to TASS Hosur Road, Bangalore.
1) No loose connections anywhere, both underneath the driver seat and under the chassis.
2) ECU is fine, so they are suspecting problems with the Sensors.
3) Transfer case ECU has no scanners, the error codes are determined using Blink Code method; kind of binary output using the LED light illumination. There are about 6 different codes totally.

I was asked to bring the vehicle back on Friday as they don't have spares sensors and I wonder how they would get it in 3 business days.

For now driving around AS IS :(

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The right side head lamp has moisture inside. This was something I dreaded ever since it appeared after a DIY lamp replacement in my Palio (2004). Nothing was changed to the Safari head lamps and absolutely no cracks.
I was told that the headlamp assembly doesn't come under extended warranty.

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Question re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

Hello All,

A New Question,

What is the ideal process of shutting down a Safari?
Do i have to rev the throttle till 3000+ RPMs & close it or should we simply leave the engine to its ideal speed for some time & Switch off the ignition.

I am facing a strange issue of engine refusing to start at morning. It makes a strange sound while cranking & does not Comes up. I have to leave the beast as is for a minute or so & crank again & repeat the process if required.

Though it starts eventually; however when it does come up it spits out the largest black cloud of smoke from the exhaust I have ever seen.
I am assuming that this is something to do with the "Krrrrr" sound which engine makes at around 1500-1600 RPM, what part is malfunctioning I am not sure.

This has happened around 3 times till now.
Any Past experience & suggestions on this issue please.

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