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Old 3rd June 2016, 12:47   #6226
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... Is it possible if I go for a full system including the actuators? ...
Sure you can. That would only require removing the existing actuators and rewiring with the new system.

But, it wouldn't harm if you check with Minda first, despite all reservations. Key thing is Immobilizer, that is not trivial with an existing Engine ECU.
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Old 29th June 2016, 10:59   #6227
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One issue which i recently saw in my Safari is erratic idling for 15-20 seconds during cold start.
Just wanted to check if its normal?

Thank you!

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One issue which i recently saw in my Safari is erratic idling for 15-20 seconds during cold start.
Reasons can be many.
  1. dirty fuel
  2. Dirty fuel filter/sedimentor
  3. Dirty injector - try adding injector cleaner to fuel
  4. leaky turbo/vacuum pipe

How is the smoke otherwise?
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Old 30th June 2016, 18:09   #6229
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Reasons can be many.
  1. dirty fuel
  2. Dirty fuel filter/sedimentor
  3. Dirty injector - try adding injector cleaner to fuel
  4. leaky turbo/vacuum pipe

How is the smoke otherwise?
smoke is well within control, checked turbo and sedimentor.
erratic idling is only there for a minute or two and then it settles down, and i can bear it as long as it does not lead to bigger issue.

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.. erratic idling ..
Erratic idling can be due to clogged/ faulty O2 sensors.
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Old 1st July 2016, 23:39   #6231
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Hi Experts,

My four years old safari (40k kms) has got the clutch problem. The clutch pedal when pressed, doesn't come back and then after lots of push and pull it somehow starts working.

Actually, I went to RMJ Motors, Bhopal for some other problem (steering oil leakage + Engine oil leakage from main seal). Right after getting these two leakages fixed, the clutch pedal started giving problems same day, in the workshop itself.

It seems that Clutch Master Cylinder Kit is the culprit? Please advise.

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Old 2nd July 2016, 13:42   #6232
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I think their number All India Number is 011-33145145. You can always contact your TASC for local contact number.
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But, it wouldn't harm if you check with Minda first, despite all reservations. Key thing is Immobilizer, that is not trivial with an existing Engine ECU.
Update: AS per your advices, got the system diagnosed from Minda guys. There was a wiring issue and he sorted it out. Now, 2 problems remain.

- The driver side door is getting only 'half-locked' where the lock switch is pulled only half way through. This happens only when it is locked with remote
- Manual central lock from driver door is not working. ie. You cant lock/unlock all doors with the master controller

He mentioned that the issue is with the controller unit under the seat and it needs to be replaced which costs about 3.7k. Plus I need a spare remote which is another 1.6k. Does it make sense to replace this with OEM unit or shall I go for an aftermaket unit which would be of similar price or less than this?

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I would make more sense to stick to Minda. Wiring/ Central Locking/ Immobiliser are critical components. As long as OEM components are used service/support will be there albeit paid. But with after market components trouble shooting for wiring issues will be difficult as TASC will blame the after market system and vice versa.
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HI all,

Facing a stange issue with my safari (DICOR), tried to crank the engine this morning.
I could hear the self engaging, but it did not statrted the engine. Self was moving freely. I could hear the motor.

Tried to engage the gear & pushed my car back and forth in an assumption that something would happen. Cranked again but again the self rotated freely without starting the engine. Anyone faced this issue earlier, please suggest the possible cause.


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... The driver side door is getting only 'half-locked' where the lock switch is pulled only half way through. This happens only when it is locked with remote
- Manual central lock from driver door is not working. ie. You cant lock/unlock all doors with the master controller ...
Doesn't sound like a Control Unit fault.

It is the driver side actuator which is faulty, as it is not pulling the lock rod properly (lock rod connects to the lock lever). With manual operation, you are pushing the lock lever all the way in.

The reason it is not doing 'central locking' is because of the actuator fault itself - it is not in a state that the Control Unit thinks that the driver door is locked.
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It is the driver side actuator which is faulty, as it is not pulling the lock rod properly (lock rod connects to the lock lever). With manual operation, you are pushing the lock lever all the way in.
That thought did cross my mind. But the lock is getting pulled all the way in the in the autolock which happens after 10 or so odd seconds after the engine is started. I checked with the Minda guy if the latch is having some issues or some greasing will do the job, but he was adamant that the CU is at fault and needs to be replaced.

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The reason it is not doing 'central locking' is because of the actuator fault itself - it is not in a state that the Control Unit thinks that the driver door is locked.
That makes sense. I was under the impression that in event of autolock mentioned above, the CU sends signal to the master actuator which in turn locks all the followers. If what you mentioned is the case then changing the master actuator should fix the issue. Let me check it with the ASC.

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HI all,

Facing a stange issue with my safari (DICOR), tried to crank the engine this morning.
I could hear the self engaging, but it did not statrted the engine. Self was moving freely. I could hear the motor.
Get your starter checked as when Bendex (i dont know exact technical name) slips what you explained happens.
You may need to change Bendex.

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... Bendex (i dont know exact technical name...
Excellent tip . The technical name is Bendix Drive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendix_drive . Another googled link, seems interesting http://www.gonefcon.com/trucktcom/starters.htm .

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Get your starter checked as when Bendex (i dont know exact technical name)

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Excellent tip . The technical name is Bendix Drive

-BJ

Many thanks to both of you.
Car was left stationary for a week due to hectic schedule. I had no option to go to the mechanic at that point.

Had faced & emergency & Sat in the car gave a long self, motor kept rotating, no engine cranck.
Tried this thrice, there was a loud thud & engince started. Finished my work, Left the engine running for entire duration, & took it to a mechanic. Problem never re-occured. .
He still inspected it, everythin was normal. I am still not sure, why it originally occured then dissapeared & never re-occured (At least till now).

And yes, the mechanic did mentioned that it can be issue with "Bendex" & may require replacment.

Saurabh.
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And yes, the mechanic did mentioned that it can be issue with "Bendex" & may require replacment.

Saurabh.
The issue happened with my 3.0L DICOR. Initially, it started happening in a few days interval, then every once in a while and then the self finally gave-up. Costed some 3-4K for self motor overhaul.
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