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Old 7th September 2008, 00:42   #16
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There are lot OWS fans here. Fine.

Now my Safari is running with OWS 360 and next week, I will try OWS 210.
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OK, Here is the update:


Fuel Additives Test ver 2.0:

MP6TY:
Engine Power: Improved 5-10% after 3rd gear
Engine Pick up: No Improvement
Mileage: Increased 2 Km/Ltr
Engine Noise: No improvement
Smoke Level: Increased


Iftex:
Engine Power: No improvement
Engine Pick up: No Improvement
Mileage: No improvement
Engine Noise: Reduced 5-10%
Smoke Level: No improvement



AutoMax:
Engine Power: Improved 30-40% after 3rd gear
Engine Pick up: Improved 20-30%
Mileage: Reduced 1km/ltr (because of my Driving style due to the sudden pickup???)
Engine Noise: Reduced
Smoke Level: Reduced (Almost No smoke!)



Oil Additives:

STP:
Engine Power: No Improvement
Engine Pick up: Improved 5-10%
Mileage: - No Improvement
Engine Noise: Reduced 10-30%


Bardahl:
Engine Power: Not calculated, Will update later!
Engine Pick up: Not calculated, Will update later!
Mileage: - Not calculated, Will update later!
Engine Noise: Not calculated, Will update later!

OWS:
Not Tried, Scheduled for next service!



Fuel System Cleaner:


OWS 360:

Smoke Level reduced.
PUC level of my 2004 SAFARI reduced to 0.7
Fuel Injector: Will update soon


Bardhal. Not Tried, Scheduled for next service!



Engine Flush:

OWS: Going to Try Soon. Will update later!

Bardhal. Not Tried, Scheduled for next service!



GEARBOX Additive:

Nulon: Going to Try now. Will update later!
Bardhal. Not Tried, Scheduled for next service!


Radiator Flush:
Going to Try Tectaloy. Will update later!
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OK, Here is the update:

Fuel Additives Test ver 2.0:

AutoMax:
Engine Power: Improved 30-40% after 3rd gear
Engine Pick up: Improved 20-30%
Mileage: Reduced 1km/ltr (because of my Driving style due to the sudden pickup???)
Engine Noise: Reduced
Smoke Level: Reduced (Almost No smoke!)
is Automax same as F2-21 ?
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Old 10th September 2008, 11:33   #19
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is Automax same as F2-21 ?
Yes, the same concentrated F2-21
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From where did you buy Automax ?

do they have website/dealers here ?

Please specify.

thanks
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Old 10th September 2008, 13:32   #21
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Automax is not available in any stores. In Chennai, its available with a Guy, he will door deliver it(like Amway). If you want I can arrange one for you, if you are in chennai.

I dont think it will work for you, if your car is new. But if your car crossed more than 50k, it may do magic. (But I DONT believe it will give the claimed 28% more mileage, actually mileage is decreased for me. It just restored the lost power of my Safari, may be more(!!!))

Automax, Nanotech, Cosway, H2OIL, F2-21 and EEFuel all are same, but under different names in different countries like MP6TY.

***H2OIL is the inventor, F2-21 is the product name, Nanotech is the bottle manufacture, Automax is the distributor, Cosway is the marketer.

Fuel and Oil Additives, Nanotechnology, Immediate and Dramatic Results in Fuel Efficiency - H2OIL Corporation

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Thanks buddy

If you come to know anyone selling this in Delhi,please post
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Old 10th September 2008, 21:56   #23
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My Safari is in the workshop now and running OWS 210. Tomorrow I will open the Engine Head and try to post some photos.
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Old 11th September 2008, 23:27   #24
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OK Friends, My SAFARI is in the workshop and here are the Effects of ADDITIVES vs MANUAL De-corbonization.

My 2004 SAFARI Engine:
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The OIL SUMP after OWS 210 Flush:
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The Engine Head Cover:
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The Engine Head:
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The CrankShaft:
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The Valve:
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So thease are the result of one of the best Oil Flush(OWS210) and Fuel System Cleaner in the world. Tomorrow I am going to MANUALLY De-carbonize the Engine. I will update the Photos after a clean. Here is a sample:

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Also note that, My car never runs without Additive Fuel(IFTEX, AutoMax, MP6TY, OWS) and this is my condition!!!
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So, all the additives and flushing engine are useless.

How and where can we get manual de-carbonization done? Any risks of doing it?
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You took apart an engine to clean it?
Thats not a crankshaft,bro. Its a camshaft.
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Thats not a crankshaft,bro. Its a camshaft.
Thanks Nitrous sir, I just can't remember the name for 1 hour(stupid, me!!!).

Yes, I re-assembled the engine for Manual-Decarb as the workshop head is my friend.

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So, all the additives and flushing engine are useless.
Its not like that. I still believe that, OWS 210 worked well. bUT it was not able to Remove the carbon 100%, especially from the Valve, Sump etc...We cant judge the function of the Flush, unless I opened and show you the ENGINE BEFORE THE FLUSH(!!!). (Anyway, the fuel injector is also has carbon deposits(stupid OWS360, IFTEX, Automax, Premium Fuels, MP6TY - None of them cleans the fuel injector 100% - I will post the photos tomorrow, if demanded))

Anyway I am going to open the Oil Strainer(is it the correct term?) and Oil Hoses tomorrow. Will post pictures if possible.

But Manual De-carb is the BEST option and it cost me around Rs. 5000 for a Safari(or atleast me/including oil, filters etc..!!!).

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How and where can we get manual de-carbonization done? Any risks of doing it?
i have done it in my Friend's workshop amd I trust him 100% as I know his brain very well. (eventhough I stayed all time in the workshop whenever he is working on my Safari - To learn this crackshaft/camshaft things!!)

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Thanks Jennifer. Please post the pictures.

I agree that with additives the condition would be better. But, I expected a much better outcome after believing half of the marketing done by these trusted brands and testimonials by users.
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Old 12th September 2008, 19:43   #29
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OK, Here are the updates from today's works:

Cleaning the Valves:
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Vales after Cleaning:
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The Oil Strainer and Oil Pump: (OWS 210 is 99% useless here!!!)
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Cleaning the Oil Pump:
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The Engine Body after removing Belts & Bulley:
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Cleaning the Engine:
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I will post the Cleaning process of Catalytic converter, Turbo Charger, Air Intake manifold tomorrow.
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ibm_jennifer: I would just like to say thanks for going to all this trouble (taking pictures and all, not cleaning ur engine !) . I think this does cast some serious doubts on why we are pouring money into additives.

Say for instance, without *any* additives, the carbon coating is higher, will it really make any difference, or can someone shed some light on the efficacy of using additives.
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