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Old 28th September 2008, 19:27   #1
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Unhappy 04' WagonR - Poor FE, Hard clutch and judder

My 2004 WagonR is begining to give really pathetic fuel efficiency. I calculated tankful to tankful and its 10.5 kmpl in city driving with 90% AC.
Some points i would like to share.

1. My office is about 4 kms from my home. Usually drive in 2nd/3rd gear, but while coming back, i take the highway for about 1 kms where i drive in 5th. Total distance traveled per day is around 8.5 kms ( the highway route is a bit longer).

2. My clutch has gotten so heavy that I even find Diesel cars like Swift D and Vista easier on left leg.

3. There is occasional judder while releasing clutch from 1st gear, and sometimes in reverse.

4. My car as run 43k and still runs on factory tires, barring one, which was replaced 5k kms ago.

Is my poor FE related entirely to these factors? If not, what else should i keep in mind while giving my car for next service.

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Old 28th September 2008, 20:34   #2
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My 2004 WagonR is begining to give really pathetic fuel efficiency. I calculated tankful to tankful and its 10.5 kmpl in city driving with 90% AC.
Some points i would like to share.

1. My office is about 4 kms from my home. Usually drive in 2nd/3rd gear, but while coming back, i take the highway for about 1 kms where i drive in 5th. Total distance traveled per day is around 8.5 kms ( the highway route is a bit longer).

2. My clutch has gotten so heavy that I even find Diesel cars like Swift D and Vista easier on left leg.

3. There is occasional judder while releasing clutch from 1st gear, and sometimes in reverse.

4. My car as run 43k and still runs on factory tires, barring one, which was replaced 5k kms ago.

Is my poor FE related entirely to these factors? If not, what else should i keep in mind while giving my car for next service.
I am in the exactly same position DCEite. My Wagon R is Oct 2004 registered and the tank to tank FE is 10.3-11.0 km/l (90% AC). The clutch isn't that bad but definitely stiffer than before but no extraordinary judders. It has run 52K and has had a tyre replacement. It now runs on Michelin XM1's (155/65/R13). Another similar twist of fate: Its driven in pretty heavy city traffic for approx 15 kms a day.

However, I have other factors that could be influencing the FE. the car is now driven exclusively by wifey. Although I am pretty confident she is a decent driver. I wrote the last line as insurance for the time my wife reads this post.

Experts, please suggest potential causes of trouble.

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Old 28th September 2008, 21:09   #3
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All the three symptoms say just one word. Clutch!
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All the three symptoms say just one word. Clutch!
You mean the clutch plate?
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Old 29th September 2008, 12:11   #5
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IMO, its time to think for a newer vehicle. What Say? OR replace the clutch.
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my alto has a similar problem but there is no clutch slippage, its just that the pressure plates have become hard.

43k kms is the deadline or maruti clutch on alto and wagaon R , please get the clutch overhauled. will cost you around 4k
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Have you done the full job that MUL recommends at 40k kms?
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Have you done the full job that MUL recommends at 40k kms?
Whats that full job? Could you shed more light on this please.
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I dont know the traffic conditions in your city but most of the Wagon R owners I know of get only slightly better mileage (around 12) besides you drive in lower gears.

Also clutch judder is a known thing for which A.S.S. would have a solution.

What Jaggu means is the major service at 40k you can get the details from your manual.
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really pathetic fuel efficiency. I calculated tankful to tankful and its 10.5 kmpl in city driving with 90% AC.
I'd throw a party if all my cars start giving 10.5 consistently

On a serious note, this:

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1. My office is about 4 kms from my home. Usually drive in 2nd/3rd gear, but while coming back,
may have something to do with it. Short distances = Low FE. Generally, the engine would have covered a lower distance @ optimum temperature. Plus, the averaged speed and stops (traffic lights etc.) would be more.

You also need to have your pressure plates looked at.
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Old 29th September 2008, 19:08   #11
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I generally get an avg of 13+ in my Wagon R.
But this month being Ramzan I drive about 1 km one way to the mosque with my f-i-l.
This is an over crowded road and can take me close to 5 mins to cross it..

Milage this month is down to 12.5.
This is the only thing that has changed in my car over last months driving pattern.
btw my office is 13kms from home.
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Thanks for the inputs.
I too suspect my low running and clutch as the main culprits. The idle rpm is high during most of the time, which suggests the engine hasn't warmed up adequately during the day.

@bblost Thats a very good FE you are getting. I guess you mostly drive on ring road with 4th/5th most of the time? I too used to get around 14 when i used to drive the car to my college which was 30 kms away and mostly signal free ring roads of Delhi.
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I once got 19 in my wagon R.
Highway non stop drive for about 300 kms.

and you are right in the city my drive is generally traffic free on decent roads.
In the wagon if you want good milage don't cross 80.

After that the absence of aero dynamics brings down the milage real bad.

Helps if you wax the car before hitting the highways.
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