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Old 5th February 2009, 17:57   #1
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Unhappy M800 - clutch plate prob

i have a M800 from Dec'99.for past few days i have been noticing that the car has a shaky ride while changing gears and otherwise too.it then turned out to be a jerky and jumpy feel.i had given it to a local workshop and seems they told that its a clutch plate fault and must be changed.
can it happen to a car that is just 47k on the odo??
and is 2k bucks for changing the clutch plate justifiable??

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How many kms has your car clocked? Also find out from the mechanic if 2k is only for clutch or for the entire clutch kit which includes clutch plate, pressure plate and releaser bearing.
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can it happen to a car that is just 47k on the odo??
Vikram, you're not paying attention in class!

To me it seems that the clutch plate could well be due for replacement, judging by the symptoms you describe.
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they told me that the clutch plate has smoothened out and thus lost friction due to which the symptoms(jerks) took place.
how much would just the clutch plate cost??
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how much would just the clutch plate cost??
I do not know the prices. Any spare parts shop will tell you those.
It is important that you change the clutch plate, pressure plate and the release bearing. Not worth it to save a wee bit now and then having to open up for those later.
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I think the plates are well due for replacement and the price quoted is fine.
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the MRP of MGP clutch plates and pressure plates is 1800rs for alto. might be the same for maruti 800. besides 600 is the release bearing cost and the labour is Rs.750. my 2 cents,please go for release bearing change too.
maruti cars have a very good reputation of clutch wearing. 47k is enough to burn the maruti clutch. the MASS have hell lot of complains of altos and swifts about clutches.

i think you should take another opinion from MASS. in my case the clutch is not slipping but has become hard. i.e the pressure plate has become hard. but now i am used to it.
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Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate, Release bearing,Flywheel bearing.

Get everything changed at once, Clutch and pressure plate will cost around 1300 bucks and bearings another 600 to 700.

This is outside MASS price.At authorised service station things will get a bit more than this.
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shaky rides usually doesn't translate to clutch. but 47k on the oddo is enough reason to change it anyway.

If your mechanic claims that clutch is washed out, then the symptoms are its slippage. do the hand brake test of clutch (posted here many times).

clutch price and various other parts of 800 (copy of bill, last images ). check the following thread
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...d-project.html (2lac+ kilometers m800 engine rebuild project.)
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got the car back and il list the bill below:

item ( amount)
axle oil seal ( 66)
clutch assay (1443)
valve cover gasket ( 38)
red bond (80)
fly wheel (516)
retainer clutch release bearing ( 108)
gear box mounting (280)
cord wire (213)
clutch O/H ( 450
valve cover packing changing (40 )
full washing ( 180)
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total ( 3414)

i did get a discount of 314 bucks!!so hows the charges for all.

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got the car back and il list the bill below:

item ( amount)
axle oil seal ( 66)
clutch assay (1443)
valve cover gasket ( 38)
red bond (80)
fly wheel (516)
retainer clutch release ( 108)
bearing
gear box mounting (280)
cord wire (213)
clutch O/H ( 450
valve cover packing (40 )
changing
full washing ( 180)
=======================================
total ( 3414)

i did get a discount of 314 bucks!!so hows the charges for all.
Gearbox mounting, Clutch, are expensive. You shoud have gone through my thread.

Did he change the Flywheel bearing?

PS: Please post the image of your old clutch.

Anyway, most important question "how is the ride now.?"
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the car looks clean and fresh.it feels a little too ready to get moving.i mean to say that the gear changing feel a little too slick than before.the clutch depression is too soft.and there is a low buzzing sound as i press the accelerator.
the fly wheel bearing was changed too.seems they had to lower the whole engine to do this clutch prob.

@SirAlec..i did read your thread whole. but since im busy in morning hours i could just get to the workshop late,to just get the bill handed over.nothing much could have be done after that.but your opinions are invaluable for future dealings.
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If your mechanic claims that clutch is washed out, then the symptoms are its slippage. do the hand brake test of clutch (posted here many times).
Could you point out where I can find handbrake test of clutch? I did not get it.

My 800 also having some bumpy ride and clutch become hard. However it is not slipping . Whenever I leave clutch on first or second gear, pickup is not smooth. It seems I also need to replace clutch assembly of my 800.
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the car looks clean and fresh.it feels a little too ready to get moving.i mean to say that the gear changing feel a little too slick than before.the clutch depression is too soft.and there is a low buzzing sound as i press the accelerator.
the fly wheel bearing was changed too.seems they had to lower the whole engine to do this clutch prob.

@SirAlec..i did read your thread whole. but since im busy in morning hours i could just get to the workshop late,to just get the bill handed over.nothing much could have be done after that.but your opinions are invaluable for future dealings.
Only the gearbox needs to be lowered to change the clutch. Ofcourse you have to remove both driveshaft, hence should change the gearoil too, if its bad.

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Could you point out where I can find handbrake test of clutch? I did not get it.

My 800 also having some bumpy ride and clutch become hard. However it is not slipping . Whenever I leave clutch on first or second gear, pickup is not smooth. It seems I also need to replace clutch assembly of my 800.
here is a simple test for clutch slippage.
pull the hand brake (provided handbrake is in good condition) start the engine. Shift to high gear. Then try to drive the vehicle forward by slowly releasing the clutch pedal. if the engine stalls you are lucky. A badly slipping clutch may allow the engine to run, even with the clutch pedal fully released. Partial worn out clutch could let the engine run momentarily before stalling.

But your case may be simple settings of clutch cable only.

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Only the gearbox needs to be lowered to change the clutch. Ofcourse you have to remove both driveshaft, hence should change the gearoil too, if its bad.


here is a simple test for clutch slippage.
pull the hand brake (provided handbrake is in good condition) start the engine. Shift to high gear. Then try to drive the vehicle forward by slowly releasing the clutch pedal. if the engine stalls you are lucky. A badly slipping clutch may allow the engine to run, even with the clutch pedal fully released. Partial worn out clutch could let the engine run momentarily before stalling.

But your case may be simple settings of clutch cable only.

Thanks Sir Alec. Tomorrow morning I will do the test and post result here.
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