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Old 26th February 2014, 11:44   #256
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Hi guys, the Cigarette-Lighter socket in my Linea stopped working after I pulled the phone charger abit (while trying to mount it as GPS on front 3 quarter glass) - the steel part is coming out 1.5", I feel some wire could've cut. Dunno if the fuse is fine, but nothing seems burnt/fused.

A friend says the wires could have got twisted resulting in a short.
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Can it be done at a local garage/electrician (since nearest FASS is 15km from home and just up-down will take >2hrs) or will I NEED to go to FASS (since the center panel may have to be opened)?

Pls advise thanks in Adv!

(P.S. : I live in Ulsoor (Bangalore), so if anyone is aware a local garage pls do let me know.)

P.P.S. : The fuse (I'm checking F44) isn't coming out easily, may have to use pliers.

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EDIT : BTW, There are no extra fuses or even pliers given! For a car thats never been serviced anywhere but the A.S.S. for 68k kms, this speaks volumes for how little the A.S.S. cares for customers!

Also, I'm said each fuse will cost Rs.40/- at the F.A.S.S. and the SAME fuse costs Rs.6/- outside!

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Oops, I think I posted in the wrong thread :P Would be nice if mods pointed me to the right one.

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Old 26th February 2014, 12:11   #257
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Any auto electrician should be able to resolve it. I would bet on local auto electricians than the one's at FASS.
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Today while driving to office (just when close to office saw the Heat indication to be just above the mid).
Have parked the vehicle, checked inside bonnet. Coolant container was covered with Black color and i see smoke in the compartment. And see engine oil dripping on the floor.

Spoke with the SA from Fiat, he suggested to tow the car and not drive it any further.
Anyone faced this issue?
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Today while driving to office (just when close to office saw the Heat indication to be just above the mid).
Have parked the vehicle, checked inside bonnet. Coolant container was covered with Black color and i see smoke in the compartment. And see engine oil dripping on the floor.

Spoke with the SA from Fiat, he suggested to tow the car and not drive it any further.
Anyone faced this issue?
Most likely a blown head gasket due to overheating, resulting in coolant mixing with engine oil, boiling and dripping from coolant container (some on hot engine parts resulting in smoke/ steam) and floor. Assuming the coolant level etc was ok and not the cause of overheating, most likely the cooling fan had stopped woking.

If it's just head gasket, should get sorted out in about or less than rs.10k. Hope the engine did not seize?
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If it's just head gasket, should get sorted out in about or less than rs.10k. Hope the engine did not seize?
Oh it's cheap, but towing car to service center need to pay more 100 times of it.

Need to check on Fan, Wanted to check we end-up getting the engine sized if I start the engine?

Car is in basement, need to get it out for tow.
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Oh it's cheap, but towing car to service center need to pay more 100 times of it.

Need to check on Fan, Wanted to check we end-up getting the engine sized if I start the engine?

Car is in basement, need to get it out for tow.
I suggest this and please use extreme caution.

Let the car cool down considerably. Open the bonnet, fill coolant container with water till max mark only. Remove engine oil dipstick, check oil level, if low, add cheap but clean engine oil to bring the level to mid of max and min mark.

Try to start the car and if it starts, engine is not yet seized (it's highly likely it is not, as you turned it off yourself earlier). Check for any engine check light on dashboard. If none, slowly move the car out of basement. But do not try to drive longer as with the blown head gasket, oil and water is already mixed and will continue to get mixed. Car is bound to overheat after sometime.

After and if you are out of basement, tow the car to ASC. Again, be extremely careful, shut the car is there is anything abnormal.

EDIT - I said about rs.10k because you will need to change engine oil, filter and coolant (at least) in addition to fixing head gasket and fan issue (if any).

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Try to start the car and if it starts, engine is not yet seized (it's highly likely it is not, as you turned it off yourself earlier). Check for any engine check light on dashboard. If none, slowly move the car out of basement. But do not try to drive longer as with the blown head gasket, oil and water is already mixed and will continue to get mixed. Car is bound to overheat after sometime.

After and if you are out of basement, tow the car to ASC. Again, be extremely careful, shut the car is there is anything abnormal.

EDIT - I said about rs.10k because you will need to change engine oil, filter and coolant (at least) in addition to fixing head gasket and fan issue (if any).
Thanks, I managed to push the car out of the basement with help from towing folks. Checked with the SA, he scared me that Engine overhaul is needed. And said 'back combustion' has occurred and he have seen smoke from DIP-Stick.
However, when I asked to show me that, he tried to heatup up the car engine for sometime and didn't see any smoke out of the DIP-Stick.

Noticed black smoke from the exhaust silencer in the back, is this normal when a engine is rev'd in idling?

And also he asked me to change 'Oil cooler', 'supply chain or some chain (forgot the name) - 13K and also to overhaul/change turbo compartment.

But still not clear why there was a leakage, is that oil leakage is because of 'oil cooler' not working? And the problem on 'back combustion'.
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I am noticing 'glowing' battery indicator in the console. When the car is on the Move. (like i have drove 10+kms and occasionally i notice battery indicator to glow). After turning the engine-off and turning it on, it goes off.

Any known issue on this? Also, AC compressor never cuts-off. Not sure if its a thermostat problem. Any reliable workshop in bangalore to check and repair this AC issue?
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Also, AC compressor never cuts-off. Not sure if its a thermostat problem. Any reliable workshop in bangalore to check and repair this AC issue?
AC compressor running continously would mean either the thermostat has an issue or the gas is low. Eitherways you have to check with a AC mech.
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Any reliable workshop in bangalore to check and repair this AC issue?
Heard good reviews about Wecool (seems good with Palios) near Garuda mall and Aditya Car AC (Kormangala and Jayanagar). Google maps will give the exact locations.

I too have issue with my 1.2 where the compressor is cutting off often. Need to get it checked.
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Whats the status of your MJD Black BEast? Where did you leave your Palio for the works? Was it in Bangalore? Was it just a head gasket or what?
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Heard good reviews about Wecool (seems good with Palios) near Garuda mall and Aditya Car AC (Kormangala and Jayanagar). Google maps will give the exact locations.

I too have issue with my 1.2 where the compressor is cutting off often. Need to get it checked.
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Whats the status of your MJD Black BEast? Where did you leave your Palio for the works? Was it in Bangalore? Was it just a head gasket or what?

I have been to Aditya Car AC (koramangala) 2 years back to fit a third-party condenser (as mine was leaking) It was good service with them. At that time itself have noticed this issue with 'thermometer', the reading went on decreasing and haven't stopped. They were not able to locate where the 'thermistor' is located for this car. From then, i am manually turning-on/off the AC.

In recent visit to Vecto, they said the Dashboard has to be removed and only then they can fit. It would cost around 9K (labour alone was ~3.5K) Dropped the idea of getting it fixed in Vecto. Need to check with Aditya again.

If you have fixed, please do share the details
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I have been to Aditya Car AC (koramangala) 2 years back to fit a third-party condenser (as mine was leaking) It was good service with them. At that time itself have noticed this issue with 'thermometer', the reading went on decreasing and haven't stopped. They were not able to locate where the 'thermistor' is located for this car. From then, i am manually turning-on/off the AC.

In recent visit to Vecto, they said the Dashboard has to be removed and only then they can fit. It would cost around 9K (labour alone was ~3.5K) Dropped the idea of getting it fixed in Vecto. Need to check with Aditya again.

If you have fixed, please do share the details
The AC freezing is a common issue in most of the Palio MJD's. Few of them had replaced with the thermostat of the Tata Safari and are happy with it. Maybe you can give it a try.
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I have been to Aditya Car AC (koramangala) 2 years back to fit a third-party condenser (as mine was leaking) It was good service with them. At that time itself have noticed this issue with 'thermometer', the reading went on decreasing and haven't stopped. They were not able to locate where the 'thermistor' is located for this car. From then, i am manually turning-on/off the AC.

In recent visit to Vecto, they said the Dashboard has to be removed and only then they can fit. It would cost around 9K (labour alone was ~3.5K) Dropped the idea of getting it fixed in Vecto. Need to check with Aditya again.

If you have fixed, please do share the details
Yes, for the thermistor replacement, the dashboard need to be dismantled. But there used to be some smart mechanics who did without much opening, basically they knew where it is inside. I had mine replaced at FASS; 10 years back for 1.9k including labor.

The system can be converted to a manual one with a electric thermostat, but need some expert. Not sure of anyone in Bangalore.
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The AC freezing is a common issue in most of the Palio MJD's. Few of them had replaced with the thermostat of the Tata Safari and are happy with it. Maybe you can give it a try.
Hi Anand

Any idea if it is a one-one replacement?
Part number from the safari would help.

I have been facing this issue of compressor engaging and disengaging only at idle when the AC is on. While driving it works fine. so much so the RPM also shuttles by +- 50 due to rapid engagement and disengagement of compressor only at idle with AC on.

Had it been a faulty AC compressor clutch then the clutch would slip while driving at higher RPM, which is not the case here.

Any suggestions?
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