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Old 24th May 2011, 15:25   #421
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@condor, I totally agree with you regarding the price. 1.5 lakhs is really quite high for this vehicle but on the other hand I have searched and read all the comments about turbo sierras. From that I have noticed that decent condition sierras come for around 1.2 lakhs...and people who have bought those kind of sierras have spend another 20-25k for new set of tyres. Which brings the cost to around 1.4-1.45 lakhs which comes close to the cost of sierra that I have come across.

And the sierras which are very well maintained , owners quote northwards of 2 lakhs


Guys, is it really possible to find a decent turbo sierra in bangalore(used cars are outrageously priced in bangalore) for around 1 lakh, if not then I should go ahead with this vehicle, as I do not want to miss this one and again keep looking for months.


@Srini, I currently own an esteem...my city travel is very less(around 150 kms a month) I travel mostly on highways to new places, that is why I need a bigger vehicle, and also a diesel one(the sierra fits both the roles) and the main reason being my passion of owning a sierra.
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Old 25th May 2011, 13:49   #422
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@ ravi_23: Welcome to the Sierra Fan Club! All of us here share your passion for the Tata Sierra.

I have gone through all your posts, and I can see that you are keen to own a Tata Sierra Turbo. That's great!

But at the same time, do not let your emotions get the better of you during your search for a good Sierra Turbo. I know it is hard to maintain a pragmatic view once you see a good Sierra in the flesh, but at the same time you must not forget that it's your hard-earned money which is at stake.

Regarding the 2000 Sierra Turbo you have seen, as everyone here has already said, 1.5 lakhs is too much. If the seller doesn't want to offer even a simple test drive or negotiate, walk away. It's not worth it. Trust me, you will find better Sierras at a lesser price.

One important thing you have missed mentioning here is the odometer reading of the vehicle. Also number of previous owners, if possible.

Suspension overhaul with replacement of the complete suspension bush kit (shock absorbers not included) and replacement of all fluids/filters/belts etc. should cost you about 15-20K totally, depending on where you get it done.

(NOTE: It is always better to get the timing belt replaced once you buy a used Sierra.)

Taking pictures of the car and fixing a deal are 2 different things, one does not automatically imply the other. However, some sellers may not like you taking pictures of their cars unless you have decided to buy it, since it is their private property. That is fair.

I would suggest that you take a good, honest and knowledgeable mechanic (preferably a diesel specialist) along whenever you go to inspect a vehicle. Pay him for his time and advice, its money well spent.

Condor is right, the worse the car, the more the owner will try to play hard-ball. They try to create the impression that they are selling the last "immaculately-maintained" Sierra on the planet. Refusing a test-drive probably means the owner is trying to hide something, gear-box problems perhaps?

As you said, a good Sierra Turbo is hard to come by, and if this one has been "seen by many people" and yet unsold, it means something is not right. A genuinely well-maintained Sierra Turbo will get sold within a matter of days.

Lastly, if I could find an "immaculate" Sierra Turbo which I could just jump into and drive away without bothering about maintainance and renovation, I wouldn't mind shelling out 2 lakhs for it. But no more than that.

A word of caution: Owning a Sierra Turbo is not a "fill it-shut it-forget it" experience (to quote Hero Honda). The Sierra is highly niggle-prone, on top of it the car you buy will be at least a decade old. It will demand attention, lots of it. If you do not have the time and patience to deal with issues, do not buy a Sierra. Ideally, one should have another car as backup, and I see you own an Esteem. I hope you are not planning to replace the Esteem with a Sierra. Keep it as backup.

Contrary to what svpatra has said in a previous post, avoid NA Sierras. Irrespective of the condition, its the date of manufacture that makes them unworthy. The Turbo arrived in '97, and most NA Sierras pre-date this year. Which means most of them will have completed 15 years (or will do so soon), and will need to go for fitness certification from the RTO. This is one of the biggest reasons why people sell their NA Sierras, to avoid the FC headache.

Google is your friend, and so is Team-BHP. Browse the TBHP Classifieds and others on the internet to look for good Sierra Turbos. You will find one soon enough. When you do, make haste to check out the vehicle. But buy time to reach a decision. What to look for:

1. Engine back-compression (run the engine for few minutes, then remove oil-dipstick and check for exhaust gases coming out of the dipstick socket.) Any decent mechanic worth his salt will know this. If you see smoke, walk away. Engine rebuilding is a costly affair.

2. Black/blue/white smoke from exhaust (a little black smoke while startup or under very hard revs is okay). Read this United Diesel UK – Diesel Engine Smoke Explained

3. Gear shift problems. Very common in old Sierras. A proper test drive on a highway will show this.

4. Suspension problems. Again, test-drive required to verify.

5. A/C problems. Use the A/C to check if compressor is working (engine idling increases with compressor humming noise). Poor cooling is common, shot compressors are not. Compressor replacement is expensive.

6. Power steering. Check for hardness and strange noises, especially at full turns in both directions.

7. Body should be clean and accident-free, with straight lines. Look for tell-tale signs like shade difference and overspray. For this, you need to view the car in broad daylight, preferably in an open space from various angles. Rust "may" indicate post accident tinwork. Minor dents and scratches are expected and acceptable.

8. Electrical gremlins come free with the Sierra. But avoid those with heavy electrical modifications and too many accessories resulting in a lot of cut-and-pasted wiring.

9. Clear paperwork. Read this http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/buying...car-india.html (ARTICLE: How to buy a *USED* Car in India)

10. Lastly, do not hesitate to ask anything here on Team-BHP. There are plenty of people who will help you in taking the right decision.

All the best in your search for your dream Sierra Turbo. I am sure you will find one to your liking.

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Old 25th May 2011, 16:59   #423
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@bullit Thanks a lot brother for your detailed reply. I really appreciate the time that you have spent to help my cause

a) Regarding the no. of owners and odometer reading : The car has run around 66k(658743 something), I dont know whether the reading is true but somehow I think that its true as the owner also has a 1969 willys jeep and a very old abmy(mark II) So, the owner seems to be a car enthusiast....the owner is completely not using the other two old vehicles and he is rarely uses the Sierra, as he has many other vehicles.

b) The person is the second owner of the vehicle.

Coming to the condition of the vehicle, from outside it resembles almost the same as your beast when you purchased it, except for the bull bar and alloys. But is has new tyres(owner is suggesting that as a reason for the high price, else he said that he would have given it for 1.3 lakhs)

Colour of the beast is bluish purple and looks to eb the original paint, except for 1 small patch of rust below the driver's seat it does not have any significant scratch or dent along the body, also the body line looks neat with no modification.


I also checked the front co-passenger's seat as most of you have suggested, it is working fine....sliding smoothly and easily bending forward.


I am also aware of the niggling issues that I have to cope with, and I am fully prepared for it, as i will keep the vehicle for my life


So, the point is whether i should go for this particular vehicle for 1.5 lakhs with new tyres(I would say 1.3 lakhs as after purchasing a used vehicle I would have to change the tyres) or should i keep on looking for other sierras.

For the second option I would need the help of fellow tbhpians from bangalore to locate another Sierra, as dealers are of no use. Upon asking for Sierra they would say "Sahab aajkal Sierra kaun leta hain" and "Sierra mat lo sir, bahut problem deti hain". And it is impossible to make them understand the feelings that a Sierra lover has for the beast.


If I get a green signal then I would go ahead with a specialist mechanic(any recommendations?) to check the vehicle thoroughly and if its good then fix the deal.

Regarding the backup car, I would have to sell it to acquire the Sierra. Will get myself a 2 wheeler after some time.


Bullit, I have seen that you have completely restored your beast...and it looks amazing now. May I know the complete cost involved in it?

With complete cost I am referring to making it mechanically fit(without painting, seat covers, and AC work) Will work upon them slowly and steadily as I am on a tight budget now.


Thanks and if any Tbhpian is having a look at this thread, please let me know if any Turbo Sierra is up for sale.

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@ ravi_23:

From your description, the owner seems to be a genuine fellow. But I still don't understand his refusal to offer a test drive. Perhaps if you take a mechanic along to inspect the vehicle, he might think you are serious about the deal and offer a test drive.

Currently, a new tyre for the Sierra (215/75 R15) costs roughly 5.5K, so you do the math. If all those 4 tyres are really brand new, you can consider this as a saving, and therefore the seller is justified in recovering the cost from you.

Metallic purple was one of the original shades offered by Tata Motors, it is quite likely that the paint is original. An overcoat cannot be ruled out though, and is not unusual in 10-year-old cars. As long as the car is accident-free, its ok.

A good co-driver's seat is a bonus.

Most used car dealers avoid the Sierra like the plague, because of 2 things:

a. It's not a mainstream "family" car (4 doors + boot), therefore only niche customers.

b. Very low value transactions, so very low commission in %age terms, which doesn't justify the inventory carrying cost and effort. Used Altos and Zens get sold at roughly the same price, but unlike the Sierra, they fly off the shelves very fast, requiring minimal effort by the dealer himself.

However, once in a while you might spot the odd Sierra standing outside a used car dealership. It's all about luck.

Regarding the backup, I would strongly advise you against selling it. The rest is up to you.

Even though I have the Sierra, I still depend on my Wagon-R (my parents use it) a LOT. (In fact, even as I type, my Sierra is awaiting a solution to the power steering problem. Read previous posts).

In my case, I have experienced that my Sierra tends to throw up a new niggle right when I need it the most, forcing me to fall back on the WagonR. The problem may be minor, and will probably require only a few hundred rupees to fix, but the car is grounded as I don't want to take the risk of running the vehicle as-is without fixing.

If you are keen on the purple Sierra, here's what to do:

Look at yourself in the mirror and ask this question point blank-

Is the purple Sierra worth 1.5 lakhs? Am I ready to shell out that kind of money for it?

If you hesitate, drop it.

If the answer is a resounding "YES", other people's opinions simply don't matter anymore. Passion cannot be quantified in money terms.

Then,

1. Go to any good garage that has a lot of Sumo's coming for service. Hang around for a few minutes, you should be able to identify the engine specialist.

2. Talk to this guy, fix a deal with him for inspecting the car.

3. Fix up an appointment with the seller, take the mechanic along. Befriend the mechanic using chai and whatever works for him. The aim is to get him to do an honest assessment.

4. Both you and the mechanic take a test drive each. Include a highway for a high speed run (gearbox and brakes) and some bad roads/ speedbumps (suspension, ride and handling). Then, let the mechanic inspect the car thoroughly (see previous post).

4. After inspection, ask the mechanic to draw up an estimate of post-purchase repairs.

5. Use this estimate to haggle as much as possible.

6. Inspect the papers, paying special attention to insurance.

7. If everything is in order, pay an advance.

Here's a list of mechanical work I did on my Sierra post purchase (the car itself cost me 90K):

1. 4 New tyres (Apollo Hawkz): 18K.

2.
a. All fluids flushed and replaced
b. Changed all belts and filters
c. Overhauled suspension, replaced entire bush kit (retained old shock absorbers)
d. Overhauled complete brake system (with new front disc brake pads)
e. Replaced axle cross (old one had developed excessive play)
f. Few other minor odd jobs along the way

Total: 18K

3. Shortly after that, new battery: 4.1K

This doesn't include painting/upholstery/AC work carried out later.

If you are on a tight budget, work towards saving up a bit before taking the plunge. It's a sad situation when you use up all your money to buy the car of your dreams, and then you're left with none to carry out the repairs that it needs. I have been there, I know.

And don't forget the advice about the backup car.

All the best, and may your dream come true.

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@Bullit

The amount of work that you got done for 18k is really great, is covers almost all the things to make a car mechanically fit. I read your previous threads and I guess you got the job done by an A.S.S. That is even better.


So, for me the scene is almost clear now. This Sierra is really a good one and would not take a chance to miss it. This weekend I would try my luck at a place call "Shivaji Nagar" which is famous for finding car parts and old cars. If I am able to find one for around 90-100k(in a slightly bad condition then the purple one) then I would go ahead with that. Else I will get a mechanic to get the purple Sierra thoroughly inspected.


Main problem is the owners here do not allow a long test drive Here I will have to somehow convince him to let me do a test drive for atleast 5kms. If everything goes well then I will soon become a proud owner of the beast.


Regarding the backup vehicle, I would have to sell it to put together the amount of 1.5 lakhs including my savings. Would get myself a second hand bike soon after for short distance commuting


One important question is, are changing of suspention,brakes,axles important just after purchasing? I am on a tight budget as of now, so after getting the vehicle for 1.5lakhs I will have very less remaining with me. With that I have planned to change all the fluids and filters, which I guess should cost around 6k(am I correct?) I will change all the other parts one by one in a span of 2-3 months(With no long distance trips in between) The vehicle will still be in running condition for short trips, right?


Reason I want to acquire this vehicle immediately is that I do not want this vehicle to go away, and I get nightmares thinking that the vehicle is sold


So, after getting the vehicle I will make it perfect with small baby steps at a time, within say 3 months and 1000 kms of running it that advisable?


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@ ravi_23:

My advice would be to avoid places like Shivajinagar completely, unless you have a good veteran who knows his stuff to accompany and back you up. Those places are like mines, whether its a gold mine or a land mine depends on how well you watch your step.

Most cars land up there to be broken up, and in most cases the owners of these cars have very good reason to give up on them. 90% of the vehicles have a critical failure, the fix for which costs more than the car itself. Most dealers there will be more than happy to string such a lemon around your neck, without letting you know exactly why the car landed up there in the first place. Therefore, "slightly bad condition" is a very relative term.

Some parts of the Sierra are very very expensive to replace. These include the gearbox, power steering gearbox, the turbocharger, the fuel pump etc. just to name a few. Replacement costs range from 15K to 40K. Just servicing and caliberating the Bosch FIP costs 5K. You do not want to buy a car which has a failure in any of these parts, and most Sierras that land up at places like Shivajinagar have exactly that.

The seats and dashboard in my Sierra came from another NA Sierra that we found at a similar place in Mumbai, called CST Road in Kurla (we had gone there to look for seats). It was brought there to be broken up. The car looked absolutely immaculate in metallic grey, both the exterior and interior were in tip-top shape. When I first saw the car, for a tiny moment I regretted buying mine. It was only the next day when we went to fetch the seats that we found out about the failed power steering, the reason why the owner let go of the car.

This is not to say you can't find steal deals there, I don't mean to discourage you. But only people with rock-solid knowledge of cars can strike gold. If you must go, take a knowledgeable TBHPian along. There are plenty of good guys in Bangalore, you will find them on this thread itself. PM them, they will be more than happy to help you out.

Regarding the purple Sierra, let your mechanic take the first test drive, since he will know exactly what to look for. After covering some distance, you drive back. In my case, the mechanic drove some distance (~2 km) and my cousin (he had a Sumo for years) drove back the same distance. I didn't drive, as I didn't have any experience with diesels, which is why my cousin stood in for me. The seller was generous, he didn't even accompany us.

All I can say about the backup vehicle is, you will be left with nothing except the Sierra once you are through with this. If (and thats a big if) it acts up, be prepared to take the bus, at least till the bike arrives. It's your call.

To answer your question about post-purchase repairs, I would say it depends on the car, and varies from car to car. But most 10-year-old vehicles have parts which have suffered immense fatigue, and are essentially at end of life. Suspension and brakes being the most highly used moving parts in the vehicle, suffer a lot of wear and tear. Same goes for the clutch. As long as these components are behaving fine, you can use the vehicle as-is. But if you want reliability and peace of mind, it's always better to get them "overhauled" (not necessarily replaced). A good mechanic should be able to tell you about this once he takes a proper test drive.

Again, do not let your focus on the purple Sierra cloud your judgment. Since it is the only Sierra that you have seen as of now, you are focussing too much on it, ignoring pragmatism in the process. Ignore the nightmares. Try to find other Sierras, this will enable you to make a comparative judgment. Even if this one gets sold, you will find others, perhaps better and cheaper ones. Its only a matter of time.

As long as the car is mechanically fit, the baby-steps strategy works best. I'm following the same. Trust me, you will continue to take baby-steps throughout your entire ownership of the Sierra, it's a part of the Sierra ownership experience.

EDIT: Read V-16's opinion about Mumbai's famous Chor Bazaar from this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...rk-eulogy.html (The Automotive Chor Bazaar Of Mumbai -All in a days work - An Eulogy)

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Chor Bazar of Bombay is the biggest (not maybe size wise but definitely stock wise) iYes bigger than Hyderabad and Delhi.
One can find a lot of stuff here but must know where and from whom to source, else the middle men crop up at alarming rates.
Depends on what one is looking for, there are dealers who specialise in old or new stuff. By new I mean new-like.
It is getting pretty difficult to source things even now. I saw a pair of 55 Millicento tail lenses for Rs 600/- something which should not be worth Rs 100 for both and that too at today's prices but its just a matter of demand and supply. People from out of town come and pay a king's ransom for such rare stuff and the dealers make it rarer by the day, fictitious of course.
For a newbie, the place is a strict no no as you Will be ripped and probably given off wrong and maybe even non working stuff at a very high price. There are regulars such as myself and a few others who have built a rapport and that rapport I guess makes them show us a little courtesy, even price wise. Remember, there are no free lunches and this maxim holds its worth of gold in the Chor Bazar.
For the uninitiated to the place, Stay away. Those guys can smell a green horn a mile away and you Will be detected.

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@Bullit, Today I will go to shivajinagar to look for Sierras in fairly decent condition, but I will consider buying a Sierra from there only if I get one within 1 lakh, that way I will have around 50k with me for repairs.

Will let you know about what I find there, if I get negative result there then I guess I will go for the purple one

Sad part is I didn't get any lead from fellow bhpians from bangalore
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@Bullitt, excellent feedback & advice in your posts on this page.

@Ravi, as much as you think this Sierra is good, do not dive in unless you are 110% convinced.

You said the owner has refused a TD unless you agree for the price of 1.5L. So after you agree and take the TD, how will you negotiate ? He will keep saying that you have agreed for the price.

One point I'd like to make is, keep a little more margin for the prices that Bullitt mentioned. It's about being prepared.

And if you are going to keep it for life, then no harm in spending a little more time in searching. Though dealers do not have these, keep an eye open for ad's in other cities also. We have had a couple of ad's on TBHP itself, though in Chennai.

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Today searched the whole day looking for Turbo Sierras. Didn't find any Sierra with any dealer and they all didn't seem to have any contact for Turbo Sierra available in the market. Then went to Ram Cool Cars in bannerghatta road and met Mr. Wilson. He is a nice fellow and said that he knows a couple of people who own turbo sierras and will let me if anyone is ready to sell one.

According to him, he will be able to manage one within 1 lakh and will completely make it perfect with another 70k rs worth of work which will include the following :

1)Engine overhauling, reboring and some other technical stuff...dont remember all the details

2)Overhauling suspention and brakes.

3)Rust treatment and any tinkering work.

4)All the electrical issues with the vehicle.


So, considering his plan, budget will be similar to the purple sierra. Wilson's plan (80-90k for the vehicle + 70k worth of work = 1.5-1.6 lakhs)

Everything seems fine, but I feel 70k for the above work is a bit high, considering Bullit got the suspenstion and brake overhauled of his beast for 18k. Experts please comment.

Also I would like to know, when does an engine needs overhauling...I mean how can we identify that a particular engine needs overhauling? Any signs? And what would be the advantages after overhauling? Increased performance(pick-up/mileage)
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ravi your mr wilson is right about the expenses and let me tell you that the will never end.
parts is a big problem and the beast will come up with something new every second day .
if you are on a budget stay away from sierras .
the total cost will be not less than 2 lacs regardless of the vehicle you buy and in these times it will be a totally frustrating experience because the specialist mechanics for these jobs are no longer available and each small thing will have you hasseled .go for it only if you have lots of time and money at your disposal or else buy a gypsy and keep things simple
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@ sierrakamat: How are you, Doctor Saab? Long time no see... Have you managed to find any suitable Sierra Turbo yet? If not, you might want to check this 2000 Turbo out:

Buy Used Tata Sierra in Mumbai | CarTradeIndia.com

@ ravi:

Before I bought my Sierra Turbo, the approach I took was this: I went through this entire thread and ferreted out the all those people who own (or used to own) Sierras. Then I drafted a detailed e-mail with a bunch of queries and sent it as a PM to all of them. Most of the guys responded to my queries with good explanations, including guys from Bangalore and Chennai, like viju_verghese, siddvi and abhishek2222. Try this approach.

You yourself being a prospective buyer, are finding it difficult to locate Sierras; how can you expect fellow BHPians who are not buyers to locate them for you? PM them, if they see one on sale, they WILL respond. We are all here to help you. Access the link above, its a 2000 Sierra Turbo for sale in Mumbai, quoting 1.25L. This figure can easily be negotiated down a few notches. Unfortunately, you can't buy it (MH car, the KA tax will burn your pockets). But this gives you an idea about the going prices on Sierra Turbos.

Register yourself and put "Wanted" ads on a few classifieds websites, you will get responses. That is how I got hold of the above ad, and many others before it.

Also, sign up and join the Tata Sierra Yahoo! group. You will find leads there.

Regarding Mr. Wilson's inputs, here's my take:

1. DO NOT buy a car which needs engine re-boring and re-building. If you absolutely HAVE TO, pay no more than 50K max for the car. The engine is a car's heart, if it's faulty, the rest of the car is worth it's weight in scrap. Good Sierra engines can last 2-3 lakh kms without a re-bore, so if a Sierra needs an engine re-bore, its either run too much, or been abused like hell.

2. If 70K includes engine re-boring, Mr. Wilson's estimate is correct. Question is, do you want to go that way (i.e. buy a car with a tired engine and re-bore it)?

3. Rust treatment and tinkering work is very subjective, and cannot be summarized into a single budget. Tinkering is expensive, the more this is required, the more the cost of repairs.

4. I have mentioned a few symptoms about the engine requiring overhauling in my first post directed to you (engine back-compression and smoke). Go through it.

An overhauled engine will be as good as new, and will offer very good performance, provided the job is done by a professional. IMO, this is best done at TASS. But engine overhauling is a very very costly and time-consuming affair. Avoid.

If you feel 70K is high, think again. Typical estimates are always on the lower side, and always overshoot by the time the work is complete. The Sierra is like a Pandora's box, opening up the engine will throw up a million things requiring attention. Expect to shell out six figures if you go down that path.

Sierrakamat's advice is worth it's weight in gold (After all, he's the one who helped me buy my Sierra, and got the painting and upholstery for it done).

If you are on a budget, stay away from the Sierra. Buy a Gypsy instead.

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Today I went to get the purple Sierra inspected by a mechanic, he did the full inspection of the vehicle and today is the first time even when I got to see the interiors. After the test drive and checking the engine, he said that the engine is good and does not require and work. Also he said that the owner might has worked upon the engine recently to make it good. But he said that the turbo was taking up a bit lately(But didn't say whether its a big issue or not) By this time I was happy with the vehicle.

Then came the sad part, I already mentioned that the vehicle had rust patches near the driver's door. The mechanic started looking for more rust, and the vehicle had rust all over the body(in the engine bay, beneath the door rubber beanings, beneath the rubber mats below seats and the dikkie) In fact the had dikkie had water beneath the mats, suggesting for heavy water leakage.

Upon asking the mechanic he told me that the tinkering for rust will cost around 18-20k and asked me to stay away from the vehicle.

Also the AC was not working, I mean upon turning on the AC cooling was not there.

With all these points I tried to negotiate with the owner, but he was not willing to reduce the price

I dont know why but I am still mesmerized by this beast even though it has these issues, so my queries are:

1) Will the tinkering work need 20k or it can be done at a lesser amount?

2) What about the delay in turbo? I mean what could be the cause? And is that a major issue?

Regarding online "wanted ads" I have posted them 3-4 months ago, but no response. I am only getting replies for non turbo sierra.

Since i am still a newbie, I am not able to PM other bhpians, can you guys help me with that? I mean PM them on my behalf.

Budget is not exactly the problem, initial budget is an issue. My budget is around 1.4lakhs now. And as I have mentioned earlier I intend to make the vehicle perfect in a couple of months.

Regarding vehicle prices, vehicles are priced outrageously in bangalore

For an example a 2000 model ikon sells for about 1.2 lakhs in bangalore and discontinued corsas and astras still go for more than a lakh. And i feel these vehicles are priced half in mumbai or any other state. So, 1.2 lakhs in mumbai is almost same as 1.5 lakhs in bangalore.

Buying a gpysy is not an option, because I am specifically looking for a Sierra only, as it has been my dream to own one, and I will the Sierra to keep it for life.

I have heard from my friends that recently the rules regarding bringing a vehicle from other state has changed, and we do not need to pay road tax, we just need to get the NOC. Can someone throw some light on it?

If this is really true then I can start looking for vehicles from other states also.
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ravi_23 (Tata Sierra Turbo: Queries) : Upon asking the mechanic he told me that the tinkering for rust will cost around 18-20k and asked me to stay away from the vehicle.


1) Will the tinkering work need 20k or it can be done at a lesser amount?
Your mechanic is giving some realistic advice, and he is not emotionally attached to it. We havenot seen the vehicle, but he has.

Again, dont ever kid yourself that you can get some job done at a cost lesser than the estimate. Be prepared for extra expenses.

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A new turbo is about 15-20k easy.


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When ever you buy one, either this particular vehicle or another, pls make sure that the vehicle is not nearing the end of it's life.

All the best.
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biullit thanks for the tip but after doing your car i realised that i should take my own advice and stay away from the bull because those glory days will never come back those old time mechanics are now few and far between besides i really do not have the time or energy to pursue digging a bottomless pit.
ravi the beast has a quality to mesmerize anyone insane enough to want it.
bullit the sierra at the scrap yard if you remember was just asking us to adopt it and return it to its former glory we left it only with a heavy heart.
ravi road tax has to be paid if you get a out of state vehicle to be used permanently unless you can prove dual address.
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@ ravi:

Kudos to you for finding a good and honest mechanic, and kudos to him for giving you sound advice. It is indeed sad that you had to let go of the enigmatic purple Sierra, but it's just the right thing to do.

A turbo-charger is a non-serviceable component, replacement is the only option. IIRC, viju_verghese has mentioned somewhere in this thread that a new TC (KKK make) costs 16K or so. The turbo should normally kick in at around 2.0-2.5K RPM. If its kicking in late, probably it is nearing end of life. Absence of turbo boost means lesser power, nothing to fear, except the beast will generate the normal NA-rated 68bhp instead of 90bhp that the a good TC engine gives.

As for rust, better keep away. The mechanic's estimate of 18-20K is conservative. You will have to strip, tinker and paint the entire vehicle. This would also mean replacing all rubber/plastic beadings, bushes, screws, trims, fasteners and what not; these are additional costs which the mechanic has not accounted for. 18K is just for tinkering and painting, add another 7-8K for these miscellaneous things. Not to mention, some of these knick-knacks are very hard to find, even at chor bazaar or "gujri".

A non-cooling A/C is very common in old Sierras, and it could mean anything. If all components are working fine, absence of gas or leakage of gas are likely issues, which are very easy and inexpensive to fix.

Regarding the PM facility, dude, really, this is your 23rd post. You need just 2 more to change from "Newbie" to "BHPian". Once you do, the PM and e-mail facility becomes available to you. You will find it on the profile page of each and every member. Now you know what to do.

Regarding resale car prices in Bangy, absolutely

An NOC from another state is valid for 6 months only. Beyond that, re-registration is the only option. This means paying road tax which is fixed %age of the "invoice value" of the car (meaning cost of car when it was brand new, for Sierra I guess it would be approx. 5.5-6.0L) pro-rated by the number of years left out of 15 years total. I'm not sure what is the %age value for KA (12% or so?), for MH it's 7%.

So, for example, if I bought a 10-year-old KA Sierra and re-registered it in MH, it would cost me about

(Invoice value * 0.07) * 5/15

So, assuming the Sierra originally cost 6 lakhs

(6,00,000 * 0.07) * 5/15 = 14,000/-

this is done since road tax is charged for a total of 15 years. If the car is 10 years old, you need to pay road tax for only the remaining 5.

All in all, it is a very bad deal costwise, and to top it all, it is a horribly cumbersome and time-bound process, which will make you jump through a million hoops. Avoid unless you have the money to give away, and substantial influence to get the job done.

There are lots of threads about re-registration and its horrors on Team-BHP, read them.

All the best for your Sierra hunt. Keep looking, and save some cash on the side in the meanwhile.

@ sierrakamat:

I think its only a matter of time before another lovely Sierra Turbo comes along and sweeps you right off your feet man. Its happened 5 times already, no? You can't choose love, before you know it, you've already fallen in it. ;-)

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