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Old 30th June 2017, 11:41   #1711
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Where can i get mobil delvac 1 5w30 in bangalore or on amazon? Cant seem to find it. This is for a 2012 ford figo with the 1.4 diesel engine. 68k service.

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Where can i get mobil delvac 1 5w30 in bangalore or on amazon? Cant seem to find it. This is for a 2012 ford figo with the 1.4 diesel engine. 68k service.

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Try at JK Automobiles, JC Road.
I source 5W40 Delvac 1 for our swift VDi from them.
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Try at JK Automobiles, JC Road.
I source 5W40 Delvac 1 for our swift VDi from them.
Thanks. Ford recommends 5w30. Is it alright to use 5w40?
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Thanks. Ford recommends 5w30. Is it alright to use 5w40?
Please use the manufacturer recommended oil.
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Have purchased this for my Swift ZDi from 99rpm.com.

Name of the Oil: Petronas Selenia WR (Wide Range)
Grade: 5W40
Costs: ₹ 650 per litre

Compatibility of the oil:
  1. ACEA B3/B4;
  2. API CF;
  3. MB 229.3
  4. VW 502.00/505.00
  5. GM-LL-B-025
  6. BMW LONGLIFE-98
  7. FIAT 9.55535 N2 C.T.R. No.: F515.D06

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API CF
Hi,
looking at the price, its Fully Synthetic, right ?
this specs looks very outdated, why not something in CH/CI grade ?

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Gentlemen,

For the elite i20 CRDi, which fully synthetic oil would be the recommendation of the gurus here? I'm looking for something which will last long through highway drives and city traffic, and reduce NVH as well.

I've got three choices:
1. Shell Helix Ultra : Fully Synthetic 5W-40
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2. Mobil Delvac 1: Fully Synthetic 5W-40
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The last item is the most expensive of the lot. 5L of that comes in at nearly 5K.

Till now I've been using the semi synthetic Shell HX-710W-40 oil and it has been pretty good so far. I'd like to get the oil changed to fully synthetic at the next service at 40K.

Is Delvac 1 THE best choice for turbo diesels? Please do let me know. I'll be getting this done within a week so I may need to place the orders soon on 99rpm.

Thanks in advance, cheers!
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Gentlemen,

For the elite i20 CRDi, which fully synthetic oil would be the recommendation of the gurus here? I'm looking for something which will last long through highway drives and city traffic, and reduce NVH as well.

I've got three choices:
1. Shell Helix Ultra : Fully Synthetic 5W-40
2. Mobil Delvac 1: Fully Synthetic 5W-40
3. Mobil 1 : Fully Synthetic 0W-40
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Hi,

As per my info, i20 CRDi manual specifies ACEA B4 engine oil.


http://www.mginfo.co.uk/upgrades4mgs...explained.html and http://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php


Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 : ACEA B3/B4 (API CF - old specs for diesel!!)
http://www.shell.in/motorists/oils-l...tra-5w-40.html


Mobil 1 - 0w40 : ACEA B3/B4 (API CF - old specs for diesel!!)
http://www.mobil1.co.in/products/product_0w40.aspx


Mobil Delvac 1 - 5w40 : ACEA E7/E4 (API CI4+ : new specs for diesel, good)
http://www.mobil.sg/AP-English-LCW/h...c-1-5w40.aspx#


have you tried any other in the semi-synthetic range (15w40, API CI4+) like Shell Rimula R4, Mobil Delvac MX ?

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Hi,

As per my info, i20 CRDi manual specifies ACEA B4 engine oil.


http://www.mginfo.co.uk/upgrades4mgs...explained.html and http://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php


Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 : ACEA B3/B4 (API CF - old specs for diesel!!)
http://www.shell.in/motorists/oils-l...tra-5w-40.html


Mobil 1 - 0w40 : ACEA B3/B4 (API CF - old specs for diesel!!)
http://www.mobil1.co.in/products/product_0w40.aspx


Mobil Delvac 1 - 5w40 : ACEA E7/E4 (API CI4+ : new specs for diesel, good)
http://www.mobil.sg/AP-English-LCW/h...c-1-5w40.aspx#


have you tried any other in the semi-synthetic range (15w40, API CI4+) like Shell Rimula R4, Mobil Delvac MX ?

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Hey there!

I'm sorry but I can't understand your post. What do you mean to say?

Are you stating that the ACEA B3/B4 rated synthetic engine oils(Shell Helix 5W40, Mobil 1 0W40, Delvac 1 5W40) are NOT suitable for the i20's engine?

Or do you intend to state that ACEA B3/B4 rated engine oils are not modern enough because there are other engine oils(semi synthetic 15w40, API CI4+ like Shell Rimula R4, Mobil Delvac MX) which have better ratings and hence are better suited for use in the i20?

Please clarify. I don't intend to use semi synthetic oils anymore. I think I made that point pretty clear in my original post. So I'm looking only for fully synthetic engine oil now.

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Hey there!

I'm sorry but I can't understand your post. What do you mean to say?

Are you stating that the ACEA B3/B4 rated synthetic engine oils(Shell Helix 5W40, Mobil 1 0W40, Delvac 1 5W40) are NOT suitable for the i20's engine?

Or do you intend to state that ACEA B3/B4 rated engine oils are not modern enough because there are other engine oils(semi synthetic 15w40, API CI4+ like Shell Rimula R4, Mobil Delvac MX) which have better ratings and hence are better suited for use in the i20?

Please clarify. I don't intend to use semi synthetic oils anymore. I think I made that point pretty clear in my original post. So I'm looking only for fully synthetic engine oil now.
Hi,

sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

As per the ACEA standards, "B" is for (Diesel) Consumer Cars, whereas "E" is for (Diesel) Heavy Duty Vehicles. I believe in most cases, "E" oils are better.

Some of these oils also mention their API standard (provided those oils were also tested against the API standard), wherein CH4 being minimum standard for (Diesel) Consumer Cars, CI4/CI4+ being the recent release gaining popularity, and CJ4 being the latest (see caution for DPF/Sulphur content notes).

Ofcourse, across the oil industry, in each of the grade, there is minimum level specified to comply to that particular grade. Some oils just barely meet those minimum standards, and some oils pass with good score in that same grade range, hence you may see price & performance differences.

Next, for each of your mentioned Fully Synthetic oils, I put their ACEA & API ratings. In this comparison, I feel Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 will best suit your requirements, its ACEA E7/E4 & API CI4+, about Rs.4000 for 5 litres.
(twice I purchased from 99rpm)

In your post you had also mentioned of earlier using Semi-synthetic Shell Helix HX7 10w40, which is ACEA B3/B3 & API CF. I think its pretty base (basic) grade. I would personally use some newer standard, better lube.

And finally, since you had mentioned using Semi-sync in past, I inquired of the more popular R4 and MX. Many people have good opinions for both these semi-synt oils.

Personally, I have tried various of these oils, and you could see my previous posts in this thread.
  • Semi-Synt: Shell HX5 {15w40 CH4}, Shell Rimula R4 {15w40 CI4+} (my favorite, used many times, even current), Mobil Delvac MX {15w40 CI4+}, Castrol GTX Diesel {15w40 CH4} (worst I used), ELF Performance 3D {15w40 CI4+}, Total Quartz 4x4 {15w40 CI4+}, and some of the IOCL lubes OEM'ed to M&M (known as Maximile range).
  • Fully-Synt: Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 CI4+ (used twice recently, got from 99rpm.com)
Just for ref, I have a Xylo, 7.3 years with ~185000 KM on ODO. Our colleague "IndigoXLGrandDi" has Xylo ~8 years with ~293000 KM ODO, tried many oils too.

To summarize, in your case, I would suggest Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 CI4+ : good performance & good price. Btw, whats the ODO on your i20 ?

again sorry buddy, if my earlier post wasnt clear.

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Hi,

sorry if I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

...To summarize, in your case, I would suggest Mobil Delvac 1 5w40 CI4+ : good performance & good price. Btw, whats the ODO on your i20 ?

again sorry buddy, if my earlier post wasnt clear.

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What are you apologizing for! It is I who should apologize for being stupid enough to not know anything about oils! I had no idea whatsoever about the latest ratings and stuff!

Now that I read your post again, after reading this one, it makes perfect sense! Thanks buddy

The odo on the i20 is nearing 40k in 2 years 3 months. Been running on the HX-7 10W40 from Shell all this time. There are no concerns with the car at the moment. So maybe it's my imagination, but I somehow get the feeling that the engine sounds a bit rougher than it used to some 10K kms ago. Hence I'm considering moving to a fully synthetic oil during the next service.

So you recommend the Delvac 1 5W40 right? Hmm, I concur. I've read quite a few posts recommending that oil. And what would you say about getting stuff like EGR cleaning done in the next service? Is that really needed? There's a bit of black smoke that comes up under hard acceleration in the turbo zone. Should I consider using the Liqui Moly diesel purge and whatnot?

Let me know what you think. Your advice seems really pertinent. Thanks!
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The odo on the i20 is nearing 40k in 2 years 3 months. Been running on the HX-7 10W40 from Shell all this time.
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Hi Sourav,

I found LINK which mentions that Diesel i20 (and other Hyundai diesel cars too) to use 15w40 API CH4. This is the recommended minimum specs. Under fully synthetic option, you can surely get Mobil Delvac 1 5W40 API CI4+. You can buy a 1 x 5 Ltr and 1 x 1 Ltr pack, as i20 will need 5.3 Ltr. This oil would cost around Rs.5000.

One suggestion, Please don't take me wrong, I know you already mentioned of only switching to Fully Synthetic this time. However, looking at your history of using semi-synthetic oil (Shell Helix HX7 10w40 API SN/CF), I may suggest to once use semi-synthetic Shell Rimula R4 {15w40 CI4+). Its a good oil, and retails ~Rs.330 per litre (i.e. ~2000 in your case). Use it for 6-8K KM, and then comment. Hereby, if not just saving money, you may get some experience of different oil! Sure, the choice is entirely your, and can directly switch to fully-synthetic as referred earlier.

Side-topic: As a reference LINK, mentions oil for Petrol Hyundai cars, mostly talking about API SM grade, whereas latest is SN.
Looking at oil pack, if its written as "API Sx/Cx" {S for Petrol/Gasoline and C for Diesel}, then as per your actual requirement (/compatibility) you can choose. In most cases, Diesel biased engine oils have bit more 'cleaning detergents' then its counterpart Petrol biased oil, this is due to the difference in respective engines. Example, that Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 is API SN/CF, meaning is petrol biased (latest N, its good), but on diesel side its quite older CF grade, so use accordingly. Most of today's diesel cars in India will have minimum CH grade, in many countries already adopted CI4/CI4+, and the very latest CJ4 will take time to be adopted.


Regarding other maintenance tasks at this stage, I would suggest:

a) get the MAF (mass air flow sensor) cleaned. ref THIS (DIY : Cleaning your MAF Sensor for Rs 120) thread for all info:

b) you can get the EGR cleaned.

Also check the Air Filter and Fuel Filter (ofcourse oil filter changed along with new oil).

The above two tasks could help in eliminating the black smoke you spoke of. If still black smoke persists, and if you really comfortable with some more attempts, try below options before going in any bigger tasks.

c) Diesel Additive: I can recommend using Abro Diesel Injector Cleaner (DI-502) or Abro Diesel Fuel Treatment (DT-508) OR : pour the whole bottle in tank full of diesel, do for a long drive, occasionally do some spirited drive (high revving in 3/4 gears). You may also try Addon-D (1ml per litre diesel) available at many IOCL bunks. A whole lot of fuel additive discussion available HERE (The Fuel Additives Thread) :

Ofcourse, Im not associated with any of these brands :-)

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Brilliant! Thanks so much for the detailed response!

I shall follow your advice to the letter. Will post my experience after the service is done and the necessary stuff is changed/cleaned. Thanks again!
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Have purchased this for my Swift ZDi, Selenia WR (Wide Range)
I am using this oil in my Punto Multijet since last 4 years, one year i had switched to Shell Helix. the result is satisfactory but not great.

This oil is good up to 6000 Km of usage, post that the smoothness gets reduced and i observed stick level reduction. There was not much reduction till first 5k km.

Suggestion is to keep using this oil, but change it once in 6000 Km. Its Fiat OE approved & slightly cheaper.

6000 km interval oil change also results in oil not being overused & comparatively lesser sludge build up.

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Suggestion is to keep using this oil, but change it once in 6000 Km. Its Fiat OE approved & slightly cheaper.
Thank you Sir for the suggestion and review based on real-life usage.

I'll be selling my Swift in another 2 or 3 weeks so no more servicing would be done on it.
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