Clutch plate Zen Vxi - Team-BHP

nicejits · 16th March 2009, 10:13

Yesterday I went to my mechanic after long time for casual meet ( to maintain relation ) and to chk my vehicle ( Maruti Zen VXi 2003 model ), he drove the vehicle for 10 / 15 feet and told me that your clutch plate is in last stage, it can go any time, you shd change it, I asked him what would be charges for the same, he said it would be 3000 Rs and Clutch will be of S.R company ( he claims that’s a original part ) , my Question can any mechanic comment about clutch after driving vehicle 10 / 15 feet, I drives this vehicle regularly ( 56km) , I never felt any problem is there? Only off late car takes more time to take a speed when A.C is on, also car achieves max speed of 115km /hr ? also if at all I need to go for clutch plate change is 3000 Rs id right price ? what all parts shd I get change clutch plate / pressure plate ? between my car has run total 63,990 km till date and I am getting 16km /lter Fe.E in Mumbai City ( w/ o A.c) and with A.c its 13.5

Regards,
Jitendra

sgiitk · 16th March 2009, 10:54

Yes. An expert can judge the state of the clutch by driving.

headers · 16th March 2009, 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicejits

Only off late car takes more time to take a speed when A.C is on, also car achieves max speed of 115km /hr ? also if at all I need to go for clutch plate change is 3000 Rs id right price ? what all parts shd I get change clutch plate / pressure plate ? between my car has run total 63,990 km till date and I am getting 16km /lter Fe.E in Mumbai City ( w/ o A.c) and with A.c its 13.5

The mileage is around that for a Zen..for clutch replacements and an expert can make out within minutes he is in the car!

nicejits · 16th March 2009, 12:13

3000Rs for Cluth plate ok ?

nicejits · 16th March 2009, 12:23

how much labour charge shd i pay to change clutch plate ?

sgiitk · 16th March 2009, 12:35

Make sure that he is including the release bearing and that he is changing the entire assembly.The price looks about Ok.

Shashank.A · 16th March 2009, 16:01

It would not be a SR but a Ceekay (CK) set. Entire assembly, including the bearing plus the labor should be around 3k mark.

And if your max speed is only 115, then there is something wrong for sure.

amit_mechengg · 16th March 2009, 16:17

i think u get the original MGP clutch set, which nowdays is manufactured by Valeo. Ceekay also manufactures the same for MUL. the difference is that valeo has 4 springs and ceekay has 6. many mechanics say that the performance of Valeo must be better.

manikjeet · 16th March 2009, 16:29

MGP clutch plate for the zen with all the fitting is max 2.3k and labor is around rs500 as the entire gearbox has to be removed and its advisable to get the clutch bearing changed/ checked as well

Shashank.A · 16th March 2009, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

i think u get the original MGP clutch set, which nowdays is manufactured by Valeo. Ceekay also manufactures the same for MUL. the difference is that valeo has 4 springs and ceekay has 6. many mechanics say that the performance of Valeo must be better.

I might be wrong, but I got one changed from my Esteem few months back. The brand valeo was not available in market and I am talking about Karol Bagh. When you asked for Valeo, they give you PHC, it might be trhe new name for valeo or something, not sure about it. However PHC was Rs.600 cheaper than Ceekay and ceekay is the OEM clutch now, or atleast this is what I was told by N number of people.

Perakath · 16th March 2009, 20:39

Nicejits,

I faced a similar question (whether to overhaul clutch or not) for my 2001 Zen Lx recently. The MASS service advisor drove the car ten feet and said "Arrey, yeh clutch toh poora gaya hua hai" ("This clutch is fully gone.") Whereas my local mechanic said the clutch was fine.

To help me understand more on the issue and decide which person was bulls***ting me, I first studied the Wikipedia page on what exactly a clutch is, and how it works. The diagrams were a little confusing, but I eventually figured out what they all meant. Clutch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I then did a web search for "how know clutch worn". What I learnt, in essence, was that the hallmark of worn clutch plates is NOT difficulty in depressing the clutch pedal or engaging gears (as I'd always thought they were; those are signs of clutch cable or gearbox/transmission problems), but delay in accelerating when the pedal is let out. Worn clutch plate(s) will not engage each other / the flywheel properly, due to less friction. (Wearing out = the plates become smoother.) If the clutch is worn the car will not accelerate as much as should be expected for that engine speed, or the rpm will be higher than normal for a given speed.

Given that the Zen doesn't have a tachometer, you could try some of the tests mentioned on this thread: How do you tell you have a worn out clutch? - B15sentra.net - Nissan Sentra Forum to satisfy yourself about the condition of your clutch. It took me only one try at suddenly letting out the clutch pedal in second gear at high revs, and seeing the car leap forward, to figure out that my clutch is fine. (45k on the odometer.) Do remember to do keep the a/c off when assessing, though!

If I'm talking through my hat here, knowledgeable members please feel free to correct me.

But if you do decide to go ahead with the clutch overhaul, the price quoted seems fair. You could check out my thread at: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...r-queries.html (2001 Zen axle, clutch, bumper queries) for further reading.

Good luck!

amit_mechengg · 16th March 2009, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shashank.A

I might be wrong, but I got one changed from my Esteem few months back. The brand valeo was not available in market and I am talking about Karol Bagh. When you asked for Valeo, they give you PHC, it might be trhe new name for valeo or something, not sure about it. However PHC was Rs.600 cheaper than Ceekay and ceekay is the OEM clutch now, or atleast this is what I was told by N number of people.

its just yesterday that i was hunting for ceekay clutch in the MASS in pune. we opened 6-8 boxes from different lots. all were valeo in the MGP boxes. one older mechanic said that Ceekay has 6 springs which is better while other engineers said that Valeo is good. then i went to a local garrage who fit only the original parts. That box also contained Valeo. he also said valeo will be better. then at last he said " Sir aap ceekay ka market se leker ana, hum bithake dege,lekin clutch jaldi gaya to no-waranty"

now someone who has experienced both can tell which is better. the 6 springs or the 4 springs.

Mr_Bean · 16th March 2009, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by headers

The mileage is around that for a Zen..for clutch replacements and an expert can make out within minutes he is in the car!

But it is diificult to identify the problem within untill the assembly is opened. I can be wrong here.

SirAlec · 17th March 2009, 01:50

whats the kms on the oddo.!

Even you can make out if the clutch is worn or not. If you feel if the car is revving hard but not going fast enough in 4th or 5th gear. its slippage.

Also you can use the handbrake test, mentioned here numerous time in this forum.

BTW valeo is very good and surpasses way beyond ceekays life cycle. But also its the Driver and driving style that determines the Clutch life.

Shashank.A · 17th March 2009, 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

now someone who has experienced both can tell which is better. the 6 springs or the 4 springs.

I dunno the logic behind it, but if you count the numbers Ceekay has 8 springs. the four you see have another spring each in them,a smaller size one.

16th March 2009, 10:13	#1 (permalink)
nicejits BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mumbai ( Borivali ) Posts: 329 View My Garage	Clutch plate Zen Vxi Yesterday I went to my mechanic after long time for casual meet ( to maintain relation ) and to chk my vehicle ( Maruti Zen VXi 2003 model ), he drove the vehicle for 10 / 15 feet and told me that your clutch plate is in last stage, it can go any time, you shd change it, I asked him what would be charges for the same, he said it would be 3000 Rs and Clutch will be of S.R company ( he claims that’s a original part ) , my Question can any mechanic comment about clutch after driving vehicle 10 / 15 feet, I drives this vehicle regularly ( 56km) , I never felt any problem is there? Only off late car takes more time to take a speed when A.C is on, also car achieves max speed of 115km /hr ? also if at all I need to go for clutch plate change is 3000 Rs id right price ? what all parts shd I get change clutch plate / pressure plate ? between my car has run total 63,990 km till date and I am getting 16km /lter Fe.E in Mumbai City ( w/ o A.c) and with A.c its 13.5 Regards, Jitendra

16th March 2009, 10:54	#2 (permalink)
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kanpur Posts: 1,025	Yes. An expert can judge the state of the clutch by driving. __________________ Life is short, do not make it shorter! Accent GLS 2002 Santro Automatic 2005

16th March 2009, 12:35	#6 (permalink)
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kanpur Posts: 1,025	Make sure that he is including the release bearing and that he is changing the entire assembly.The price looks about Ok. __________________ Life is short, do not make it shorter! Accent GLS 2002 Santro Automatic 2005

16th March 2009, 16:17	#8 (permalink)
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 1,389 View My Garage	i think u get the original MGP clutch set, which nowdays is manufactured by Valeo. Ceekay also manufactures the same for MUL. the difference is that valeo has 4 springs and ceekay has 6. many mechanics say that the performance of Valeo must be better. __________________ " I dont Drive Fast , I Fly Slowly " Last edited by amit_mechengg : 16th March 2009 at 16:19.

16th March 2009, 16:29	#9 (permalink)
manikjeet Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chandigarh Posts: 1,143 View My Garage	MGP clutch plate for the zen with all the fitting is max 2.3k and labor is around rs500 as the entire gearbox has to be removed and its advisable to get the clutch bearing changed/ checked as well __________________ *MANIK NANDA*

16th March 2009, 12:13	#4 (permalink)
nicejits BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mumbai ( Borivali ) Posts: 329 View My Garage	3000Rs for Cluth plate ok ?

16th March 2009, 12:23	#5 (permalink)
nicejits BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mumbai ( Borivali ) Posts: 329 View My Garage	how much labour charge shd i pay to change clutch plate ?

16th March 2009, 16:01	#7 (permalink)
Shashank.A BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 397	It would not be a SR but a Ceekay (CK) set. Entire assembly, including the bearing plus the labor should be around 3k mark. And if your max speed is only 115, then there is something wrong for sure.

16th March 2009, 20:39	#11 (permalink)
Perakath BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 211	Read More Nicejits, I faced a similar question (whether to overhaul clutch or not) for my 2001 Zen Lx recently. The MASS service advisor drove the car ten feet and said "Arrey, yeh clutch toh poora gaya hua hai" ("This clutch is fully gone.") Whereas my local mechanic said the clutch was fine. To help me understand more on the issue and decide which person was bulls***ting me, I first studied the Wikipedia page on what exactly a clutch is, and how it works. The diagrams were a little confusing, but I eventually figured out what they all meant. Clutch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I then did a web search for "how know clutch worn". What I learnt, in essence, was that the hallmark of worn clutch plates is NOT difficulty in depressing the clutch pedal or engaging gears (as I'd always thought they were; those are signs of clutch cable or gearbox/transmission problems), but delay in accelerating when the pedal is let out. Worn clutch plate(s) will not engage each other / the flywheel properly, due to less friction. (Wearing out = the plates become smoother.) If the clutch is worn the car will not accelerate as much as should be expected for that engine speed, or the rpm will be higher than normal for a given speed. Given that the Zen doesn't have a tachometer, you could try some of the tests mentioned on this thread: How do you tell you have a worn out clutch? - B15sentra.net - Nissan Sentra Forum to satisfy yourself about the condition of your clutch. It took me only one try at suddenly letting out the clutch pedal in second gear at high revs, and seeing the car leap forward, to figure out that my clutch is fine. (45k on the odometer.) Do remember to do keep the a/c off when assessing, though! If I'm talking through my hat here, knowledgeable members please feel free to correct me. But if you do decide to go ahead with the clutch overhaul, the price quoted seems fair. You could check out my thread at: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...r-queries.html (2001 Zen axle, clutch, bumper queries) for further reading. Good luck!

17th March 2009, 01:50	#14 (permalink)
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Queen of the Hills Posts: 1,722 View My Garage	whats the kms on the oddo.! Even you can make out if the clutch is worn or not. If you feel if the car is revving hard but not going fast enough in 4th or 5th gear. its slippage. Also you can use the handbrake test, mentioned here numerous time in this forum. BTW valeo is very good and surpasses way beyond ceekays life cycle. But also its the Driver and driving style that determines the Clutch life. __________________ Still! Living Life a quarter mile at a time.....post being Dad.

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