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Old 28th February 2017, 23:27   #166
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Many thanks. Actually, changing the drive belt takes only 45 minutes. Changing the timing belt takes considerably longer because it is inside a casing that is beneath the drive belt.

Going by your post, I may defer changing the water pump. But is there any way of checking if the pump is on the verge of failure? Also, if the pump fails, will it have an effect on the timing belt? The 1.6 petrol Fiesta has an interference engine, so a timing belt failure can have a devastating effect.
Usually the costliest part of a timing belt replacement is the labour charge. Water pump replacement involves the same work. So if the part is not very expensive, it is better to replace both together. Water pump failure is difficult to predict, but "weeping" of coolant is an indicator of seal failure and it is best to replace the pump in the event of it happening.

If the pump is driven by the timing belt and the failure of the pump is catastrophic (eg. seizure), it is possible that the belt teeth may be sheared off and cam timing be affected. Please consult a mechanic familiar with the engine to get a correct picture.

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Thanks to this eye-opening thread, I got my Timing Belt, Tensioner and Drive belts changed today at Vibrant Ford. The water pump was removed, inspected and found to be ok. So it was not changed. The pump is driven by the Drive Belt and not by the Timing Belt, though it resides inside the cover of the Timing Belt. Some coolant had to be topped up also.

Total bill came to Rs 10291, of which around 3200 was labor. The costliest part was the Timing Belt tensioner which was around Rs 4000.

Now I can drive with total peace of mind for another 5 years!

Edit: I examined the old Timing Belt closely and it looked perfectly ok, unlike one of the Drive Belts that was slightly frayed on the inner edge at one spot. However the S.A. felt it was a bit hard and could have posed a problem in the coming years or months!

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Thanks to this eye-opening thread, I got my Timing Belt, Tensioner and Drive belts changed today at Vibrant Ford. The water pump was removed, inspected and found to be ok. So it was not changed. The pump is driven by the Drive Belt and not by the Timing Belt, though it resides inside the cover of the Timing Belt. Some coolant had to be topped up also.

Total bill came to Rs 10291, of which around 3200 was labor. The costliest part was the Timing Belt tensioner which was around Rs 4000.

Now I can drive with total peace of mind for another 5 years!

Edit: I examined the old Timing Belt closely and it looked perfectly ok, unlike one of the Drive Belts that was slightly frayed on the inner edge at one spot. However the S.A. felt it was a bit hard and could have posed a problem in the coming years or months!

Thanks for the information, will be getting my cars changed too soon. Can I request you to share the bill, will use that as a reference. Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the information, will be getting my cars changed too soon. Can I request you to share the bill, will use that as a reference. Thanks in advance.
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The only piece of work that seems to be a bit high is the labor cost charged under the head 'Coolant Reservoir', which amounted to Rs 1050. When I asked the S.A. he said it involves removal, inspection and re-fitting of water pump, topping up coolant and checking the cooling system. I'm not sure if those were a rip off, but as I didn't have the technical knowledge, I did not contest that.
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What's the recommended interval to change the timing belt for Hyundai Fluidic Verna 2013 1.6 CRDi. Went through the manual but it does not specify any replacement, only the inspection is recommended.

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What's the recommended interval to change the timing belt for Hyundai Fluidic Verna 2013 1.6 CRDi. Went through the manual but it does not specify any replacement, only the inspection is recommended.

Attaching a picture of the manual for the same.
Inspect and replace if necessary.
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What's the recommended interval to change the timing belt for Hyundai Fluidic Verna 2013 1.6 CRDi. Went through the manual but it does not specify any replacement, only the inspection is recommended.

Attaching a picture of the manual for the same.
The ground reality is that authorized centers shy away from inspection of timing belts/ chains because it involves nearly 3 hours of manual work, such as removing the drive belt and associated pulleys, removing the timing belt cover and then inspecting it. In some cars, they may also have to remove the alternator and engine mounts, so that they get sufficient space to remove the timing belt cover.

Therefore the golden rule is that unless the customer is adamant about the task, they just give you false assurances that the belt is good for 1 lakh kms. I'm telling you from my personal experience.

Another cumbersome task is inspecting valve clearances. I am not sure how often it should be done for the Verna, but for the petrol Fiesta, the manual recommends once in 8 years.
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The ground reality is that authorized centers shy away from inspection of timing belts/ chains because it involves nearly 3 hours of manual work, such as removing the drive belt and associated pulleys, removing the timing belt cover and then inspecting it. In some cars, they may also have to remove the alternator and engine mounts, so that they get sufficient space to remove the timing belt cover.

Therefore the golden rule is that unless the customer is adamant about the task, they just give you false assurances that the belt is good for 1 lakh kms. I'm telling you from my personal experience.

Another cumbersome task is inspecting valve clearances. I am not sure how often it should be done for the Verna, but for the petrol Fiesta, the manual recommends once in 8 years.

In all honesty, there are quite a few modern cars where even after removing a lot you still cant see it properly. The only way to properly inspect it, is to actually remove it. Might as well put a new one in!

We are going to change the timing belt on my son's Golf GTI. We will be knee deep in parts that have to come off. Check my other thread on my cars for the write up in a few weeks.

Are you sure on the Fiesta? Seems a bit odd, eight years. Its not so much time as usage, ie mileage, that wears it down I would think. Ill have to check our Fiesta manual, see what it says.

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What's the recommended interval to change the timing belt for Hyundai Fluidic Verna 2013 1.6 CRDi. Went through the manual but it does not specify any replacement, only the inspection is recommended.

Attaching a picture of the manual for the same.
The reason for not specifying replacement schedule maybe because there is an engine timing chain (metallic) as mentioned in the service manual whereas for the drive belt (a rubber material) the replacement needs to be done at 8 yrs / 80000 kms. Had it been a timing belt, it would have had a replacement schedule but timing chains are generally much more long lasting than their belt counterparts.

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Changed the timing belt of my Baleno - 2004 model, today.

ODO Reading - 1,21,000 kms
Timing Belt - 1614/-
Tensioner - 616/-
Labour - 1200/-

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Old Belt. Though it did not seem like it will break soon, it had symptoms of wear and tear. I feel I changed it at the right time.
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Old Belt. Though it did not seem like it will break soon, it had symptoms of wear and tear. I feel I changed it at the right time.
I think with those sort of wear and tear signs it could have snapped at any moment!

Well done job. Looks like on this car/engine itís fairly straight forward to get at the belt. Which is great! On some cars it will take many hours of spannering just to get at the belt.

My son and me will be changing the Timing Belt on his Golf GTI soon. A lot of spannering including removal of engine mounts to get at it.

If youíre interested, keep a look out at this thread, where I will post this job and various other jobs too.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/diy-do...eo-spider.html (My Car Hobby: A lot of fiddling, and some driving too! Jaguar XJR, Mercedes W123 & Alfa Romeo Spider)

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So I had an interesting experience last week with my Jetta DSG 2014 model. The car is run almost daily but because of short distance rides odo reading is only 21k after >3 years.

One fine day last week, a coolant warning showed up on the dash when I started the car. When I inspected the coolant tank, it was almost dry. Immediately parked the car and the next day I had it sent to the VW ASC for inspection after topping up water and ensuring it did not drain.

The mechanic calls me after couple of hours of inspection to say that the flaw is in the water tank. Apparently the O-ring had gotten damaged and was resulting in coolant leak. I found this a little surprising (never imagined that O-ring would be a failing part), but that was not the end. According to him, this meant replacing the entire water tank, because VW does not recommend replacing only O-ring. Further, because coolant had dripped through the timing belt cover onto the belt itself, he insisted that even this part had to be replaced, as the material will deteriorate over time and could potentially fail.

All of this seemed like a rip-off, but the advisor very kindly told me that the water pump and timing belt would be provided free of charge as a "goodwill gesture". Couple of questions which I could not fathom:
- is it not possible to replace the O-ring without replacing the water pump?
- can coolant spill actually result in damage to the timing belt?

Or is this one of those practiced get-rich-quick schemes that ASCs run? On the positive side, the service advisor was one I had dealt with before and was patient and meticulous in explanation and his work.
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Well done job. Looks like on this car/engine itís fairly straight forward to get at the belt. Which is great! On some cars it will take many hours of spannering just to get at the belt.
It was not quite easy though. The mechanic had to spend some good 2 hours in getting to it. Had to remove the air filter box, hoses, power steering oil tank, a part of power steering assembly, two drive pulleys, belts, right side wheel, etc. Needed quite lot of different spanners and tools to pull out all of these.
And you say, you need to remove the engine mount too for you- So great of you that you are planning to get this done by yourselves and your son. Will follow your thread. Thanks!
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All of this seemed like a rip-off, but the advisor very kindly told me that the water pump and timing belt would be provided free of charge as a "goodwill gesture". Couple of questions which I could not fathom:
- is it not possible to replace the O-ring without replacing the water pump?
- can coolant spill actually result in damage to the timing belt?
If he wants to rip you off, I would not expect him to be so generous to provide you the water tank and timing belt free of cost. So what is he charging for? Only the labor? How much did he quote? If it is relatively less, go ahead as you are getting two brand new items. But if it is too high, think about it.

I am not sure about O-ring of water tank, but I have replaced O-ring alone for the spark plug chamber. It is a standard protocol of authorized service centers that they always replace the entire assembly. That is the same with any other service centers. Visit a good mechanic, who would replace the O-ring alone.

Certainly, a small spill of coolant on to the timing belt will not cause any kind of damage to the belt. Having seen the quality of the timing belt today, I am sure it is quite strong enough that it will not snap off so easily.
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If he wants to rip you off, I would not expect him to be so generous to provide you the water tank and timing belt free of cost. So what is he charging for? Only the labor? How much did he quote? If it is relatively less, go ahead as you are getting two brand new items. But if it is too high, think about it.

To be clear, I did not get ripped off, since I was given the parts complimentary. That is what I was trying to say in my earlier message, maybe I should been clearer. I got charged only for labour and using the logic you have mentioned, I went ahead with the repair work last week itself.

The point I was trying to understand is if there was really a need for these parts to be replaced entirely. It seemed a little over-the-top to me. The parts are not supplied by the ASC, they are supplied by VW. So the ASC gets paid by me for labour and is given the parts complimentary by VW.
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