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Old 30th March 2017, 01:49   #181
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The point I was trying to understand is if there was really a need for these parts to be replaced entirely. It seemed a little over-the-top to me. The parts are not supplied by the ASC, they are supplied by VW. So the ASC gets paid by me for labour and is given the parts complimentary by VW.
As you say, they supplied the parts free of charge, why refuse.

In all honesty, I donít understand why did not just replace the O-ring. But maybe they just donít stock it and the only replaceable part is in fact the whole O-ring.

But there is one other consideration and thatís why they also replaced your timing belt. Cooling liquid is very nasty stuff. I refreshed the cooling liquid on one of my cars and my neighbour car. We have to treat it as toxic waste! So itís kept in separate containers and taken to special disposal facility.

Itís not unheard of that it affect the carís paint when spilled. Although I canít see it immediately eating away at your timing belt, itís probably a case of better safe than sorry from a VW policy point of view. That might be the reason they just replace the whole reservoir rather then an O-ring. They just donít want to run the risk of any leaks.

Replacing the waterpumps on these engines appears to be done, routinely as part of replacing the belts. Here in Europe you would get a timing belt replacement kit which would include the timing belt (obviously) the idle pulley, tensioner and water pump. And you would always replace the lot. On some models they have changed the waterpump. Earlier models had a plastic impeller, now they are all metal I believe.

As you have experienced, replacing the belt is quite a job. So it makes sense to replace everything in one go, rather then running the risk of replacing one bit and having to rip everything out again 10.000 km later.

Especially true in Europe with much higher labour rates. Replacing the timing belts plus all the other bits cost approx Euro 150-175 in parts and Euro 6-800 in labour. So it makes sense to replace everything in one go.

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Default Re: Is it time to change the Timing Belt?

I changed the timing belt of my Ford Fiesta 1.6SXI when it was exactly five years old (mfg date, not date of purchase). At that point the car had covered just 26,000km.
Even the Service Advisor at Ford Service Center told me " Since the millage is not too much , you can postpone it till the next service or two."
Regardless, I asked him to have it changed, and I keep the old one in the boot at all times, just in case the new one fails any time. It cost me approx. Rs4,000 part & Labour. Since timing belt replacement is not a job for a roadside mechanic, if you break down in the middle of nowhere, it's worth the expense!!!
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I changed the timing belt of my Ford Fiesta 1.6SXI when it was exactly five years old (mfg date, not date of purchase). At that point the car had covered just 26,000km.
Even the Service Advisor at Ford Service Center told me " Since the millage is not too much , you can postpone it till the next service or two."
Regardless, I asked him to have it changed, and I keep the old one in the boot at all times, just in case the new one fails any time. It cost me approx. Rs4,000 part & Labour. Since timing belt replacement is not a job for a roadside mechanic, if you break down in the middle of nowhere, it's worth the expense!!!
I would say you simply wasted the money. The timing belt will survive for 1,000,00 Kms / 10 Years. At least not anywhere close to 26K.

If that is the logic that you follow, you probably will have to replace most of the parts in your car to be in a safer side always

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Changed the timing belt of my Baleno - 2004 model, today.

ODO Reading - 1,21,000 kms
Timing Belt - 1614/-
Tensioner - 616/-
Labour - 1200/-

Old Belt. Though it did not seem like it will break soon, it had symptoms of wear and tear. I feel I changed it at the right time.
I got this done a month back on my 15 year old Gypsy which I bought used.
I don't think its timing belt and tensioner were ever changed in its life even though these are to be changed every 40,000 kms. (My Gypsy has now crossed 1,20,000 kms so you can imagine!)
It was making a sort of a "whoo whoo" whine every time during idling and when accelerating. Instinctively I knew it was the timing belt and mechanism and that got confirmed by a very good mechanic I know nearby - all the other mechanics just fiddled with it and adjusted the timing screw here and there.
But this chap unerringly hit the actual problem and now that its been changed, the vehicle is purring along beautifully.
Such a BIG difference!

The reason I replied to your post, is because the Gypsy King 1.3 16 valve MPFi 's Timing Belt, Tensioner etc is the same as the Esteem and clearly seems almost the same as the Baleno. More or less the same kind of price points too.
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