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Old 10th May 2009, 12:18   #16
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Engine flush do help after a 20-30k of running to remove the sludge. Considerable difference is noticed immediately after the flush. I wouldnt suggest a regular use of flush though, once or twice in 100k kms run should be sufficient.

For cleaning of the fuel system, BG 44K(stronger) and BG CF5(lighter)are recommended worldwide in all kinds of petrol and BG244(stronger) and BG248(lighter) for the diesel and need to be used at specified intervals(10-15k kms) ONLY. No need for regular(system G/D) additives if you use these.

System D(diesel) and System G(petrol) are also good products for regular usage.

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is regular flushing with every oil change bad?

some folks have flushes forced onto them by ASC's out to make a quick buck
Oddly enough, regular quick flushes at every oil change may be less harmful than a heavy flush after 50k or 80k km. But then, the cost of a flush at every oil change far, far exceeds the benefit got in terms of improvement in engine life.
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Engine flush do help after a 20-30k of running to remove the sludge. Considerable difference is noticed immediately after the flush. I wouldnt suggest a regular use of flush though, once or twice in 100k kms run should be sufficient.

For cleaning of the fuel system, BG 44K(stronger) and BG CF5(lighter)are recommended worldwide in all kinds of petrol and BG244(stronger) and BG248(lighter) for the diesel and need to be used at specified intervals(10-15k kms) ONLY. No need for regular(system G/D) additives if you use these.

System D(diesel) and System G(petrol) are also good products for regular usage.
how do you use BG44K ? do we need to put it in Fuel tank? does it clean pistons valves etc? can you please give the prices of BG44K and BG CF5 ?
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I use OWS vitamin pack for my Lancer and next week is the Alto's turn.

OWS 210 engine flush to drain out the old oil and sludge.
After that new OWS 5W50 synthetic oil along with one bottle of OWS 220 engine oil additive to restore lost compression.
Then finally OWS 360 fuel system cleaner in the fuel tank with 10litres of fuel to clean fuel lines and injectors...
Hello Vid,

Am planning to do the same treatment of engine flush to my Alto in two weeks time when I go to pick it up from my native. It has done 55k+ kms so far.

Have to decide between semi-synthetic (Castrol Magneta, as used by Akroy) or full-synthetic to be used.

What will be your recommendation?
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how do you use BG44K ? do we need to put it in Fuel tank? does it clean pistons valves etc? can you please give the prices of BG44K and BG CF5 ?
Sikand Standley is the Master distributor for India, you can check for your local prices with them. Hover your mouse on the yellow dots.

Yes, it needs to be added to the fuel tank(prorata) as per specified treatment based on you tank capacity. Each can treats apprx60-75ltrs.
For details on the treatment and cleaning, check here
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The Indica normally aspirated and turbo engines are known to have premature oil control ring failure (at or before 80k km). A flush in this engine would likely speed up the process. IMHO, avoid flushing old Indica engines.
so i am 40,000 kms. would this be considered an "old engine" ? i am assuming not. but anyways, what are opinions on whether an engine flushing is worth trying or not ? mainly safe or not ?
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Hi,

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so i am 40,000 kms. would this be considered an "old engine" ? i am assuming not. but anyways, what are opinions on whether an engine flushing is worth trying or not ? mainly safe or not ?
I was resisting from posting a link. But here goes:

Yahoo! Groups

My Marina has not had any engine flushes yet!
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Engine flush can be done every 20k kms, it will remove to an extent the sludge and stuff. But to get better results one needs to use flushing oil also to remove the dirt before filling new oil. If oil is changed every 5k kms that itself will assure some amount of protection against sludge etc.

On the other hand if you really want a squeaky clean engine internals, there is no replacement to a complete strip job of engine. No matter how good a additive or oil is, some amount of sludge will remain in the engine.

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I own an indica TCIC, running on regular + System D from about 13000K
i did a flush while switching from castrol GTD to delvac MX at 20K , and the engine was noticeably rougher. not sure because of the oil or the flush.
This is because Delvac is a thinner oil compared to castrol GTD. Though my internet research shows Delvac is better for modern high performance usage.
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but both were 15W40. Is there anything else that determines the thickness ?
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Yes there are lots of stuff, start with "what should i buy" Car Bibles : The Engine Oil Bible

Finer specs do matter a lot and sometimes shows up also, from a users perspective.
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plus I read about your fingers test in the ownership thread now . good enough for me!
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plus I read about your fingers test in the ownership thread now . good enough for me!
Dont go by that "test" too much Its not a very scientific method to follow lol

Instead read up on the finer spec mentioned on the can, check what it means and how relevant it is for a particular engine. Also check for what is manufacturer recommendation and ideally stick to the highest recommendation from them or maybe one notch above for oil specs. This will give you a long lasting, trouble free engine.
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Hello Vid,

Am planning to do the same treatment of engine flush to my Alto in two weeks time when I go to pick it up from my native. It has done 55k+ kms so far.

Have to decide between semi-synthetic (Castrol Magneta, as used by Akroy) or full-synthetic to be used.

What will be your recommendation?
It's entirely upto you. According to me Magnatec is not very different than the regular oil. I was happy with the results of OWS synthetic on the Lancer hence decided the same for the Alto.

For regular driving it may not be a problem. But there are days when the Alto engine sees the upper rpm region's often.
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...For regular driving it may not be a problem. But there are days when the Alto engine sees the upper rpm region's often.
Now, that would be me also!

Am looking forward to you review after the oil change in your Alto.
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Vidyut,
It was nice talking to you yesterday and discussing in detail about OWS. I am seriously contemplating using it in my Alto @45K service (oil change is due then). I did Engine decarb at 25K and hence doing the flush again at 45K before moving to synthetic shouldnot be a issue.

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Am looking forward to you review after the oil change in your Alto.
Yes Vidyut, your review will be the benchmark as I am still 2.5K km to go for service so I have time to check your Alto performance for a considerable distance after your Oil change.

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