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Old 22nd May 2009, 23:38   #16
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The dealer there said that there is no need to install one due the same reasons as mentioned in your respective posts. He said (and the car's manual confirms it) that there is a transponder chip placed in the key which wirelessly communicates with the engine and if the original key is not there inside the car the car will not start.

Well that part is definitely true. The engine will simply refuse to start until the key has been authenticated. Duplicating the key will be of no use to a thief

Many car companies are offering this these days, Maruti has it's iCATS system on all new cars now. Don't know about others.
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Well that part is definitely true. The engine will simply refuse to start until the key has been authenticated. Duplicating the key will be of no use to a thief

Many car companies are offering this these days, Maruti has it's iCATS system on all new cars now. Don't know about others.
Tata Vista has RFID immobilizer in the key.
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He said (and the car's manual confirms it) that there is a transponder chip placed in the key which wirelessly communicates with the engine and if the original key is not there inside the car the car will not start.
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Well that part is definitely true. The engine will simply refuse to start until the key has been authenticated. Duplicating the key will be of no use to a thief
Cars are getting stolen (including icats enabled Maruti's or similarly equipped Scorpios) despite having this anti-theft feature. No car is theft-proof. That's why I posted earlier that the key is to make things as difficult as possible. A gear lock, irrespective of whether the car has icats or not, will make the steal less desirable to the thief.
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Well that part is definitely true. The engine will simply refuse to start until the key has been authenticated. Duplicating the key will be of no use to a thief
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Cars are getting stolen (including icats enabled Maruti's or similarly equipped Scorpios) despite having this anti-theft feature. No car is theft-proof. That's why I posted earlier that the key is to make things as difficult as possible. A gear lock, irrespective of whether the car has icats or not, will make the steal less desirable to the thief.
If the thief can't start the car only how does having gear lock be of additional help?
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How effective are gear locks ?? the ones in which the rod goes in...

I have heard all these encryptions and RFID works only when someone uses a key to steal...but what if the thief bypasses the lock by just opening the under steering cover...

And how about MICRO VBB ??? is it helpful??
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I have heard all these encryptions and RFID works only when someone uses a key to steal...but what if the thief bypasses the lock by just opening the under steering cover...
Accessing the starter wires isn't going to help much when the ECU won't turn on the fuel pump, refuses to run the injectors and shuts down spark. The pleasures of owning a Civic.
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Accessing the starter wires isn't going to help much when the ECU won't turn on the fuel pump, refuses to run the injectors and shuts down spark. The pleasures of owning a Civic.

The same with my i20 (I guess, cany any expert confirm?). That is where the question arises, how gear lock is of additional help if any?
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If the thief can't start the car only how does having gear lock be of additional help?
You can count on Indian ingenuity to find a solution. Theives now roam around with cracked ECUs! Refer to this thread (Is iCATS really tamper proof?) for more information.

There isn't a system out there that is 100% theft-proof.
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are those chipped keys, like one I have for SX4 , are of any use? Does that gives some protection to handover the key to washer guy? Because I think duplicating the key is easy but it will not be easy and quick to duplicate the chip in side the key base.

Though as base rule, I never handover the key to washer or parking attendant, even if I have to move to another parking.
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Best (and convenient) ways to protect your car against theft in India:

1. Use a solid gear lock (the type that permanently bolts on to your car). Second option is a steering lock.

2. Security alarm + motion + impact sensors + immobilizer.
I have a gear lock and a steering lock and Autocop.
The point is, even if a thief is determined enough to cut through the
steering lock and uninstall the gear lock, he will have to have a good amount of time to do the deed, which in many cases is not feasible.
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5. Don't let your car keys circulate amongst the watchmen / car wash guys of your society.
Good point and severely neglected!
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Of course, no car is theft-proof and a determined thief will still be able to drive away with your wheels. But the key is to make it as difficult as possible.
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