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Old 13th February 2017, 22:33   #136
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I think a second opinion is in order before deciding on whether the entire axle needs to be changed or a CV boot replacement should do. IMO, axle replacement at 70k sounds premature.
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Old 13th February 2017, 22:40   #137
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Just regrease the CV joints and replace boots.
If he wants to keep the car for another 3+ years he can go for full change.
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2011 i20 diesel 70,000 kms run. HASS says Axle grease boot is torn. They say both front and rear axles will get replaced
Few questions,
- When was it noticed?
- When was the vehicle last serviced? and where?
- Is there any abnormality in behavior? (Noise / vibration)

If the damage is very recent and there is no abnormality in vehicle behavior, there are chances that re-greasing and replacing the boot should do make the work horse do it's job.

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cost of Rs. 25,000 for parts, labor and taxes extra
Is it advisable/possible to get only the seal replaced from a third party garage? Or should he go for the complete axle replacement?
IF the vehicle is going to be used for another 50k km, you may consider the option of replacing the parts at HASS. Else,
1) Replace the complete axle assembly at FNG. It should be at least 30~40% cheaper than the above quote
2) Get it diagnosed by a reliable mechanic, replace only the ends (they call it drive shaft cup Inner / Outer) You can get it done at less than 5~8k. Did the same job in my Colleague's Fiesta (Classic) for less than 4k (1 drive shaft) including labor.
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I am posting on behalf of my friend. He has a 2011 i20 diesel 70,000 kms run.

HASS says Axle grease boot is torn. They say both front and rear axles will get replaced at a cost of Rs. 25,000 for parts, labor and taxes extra.

Is it advisable/possible to get only the seal replaced from a third party garage? Or should he go for the complete axle replacement?
If rubber boots are torn bad and have been like this for long, axle has to be replaced. If you are already getting clicking sounds from front axles when turning at full lock, that's a sign of unavoidable replacement. If boots have only cracked; don't replace axles, replace grease and boots.

Why replace the rear axle? What's there to have gone bad? It's just a solid beam. Or did the car take a hit on rear axle?
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Few questions,
- When was it noticed?
- When was the vehicle last serviced? and where?
- Is there any abnormality in behavior? (Noise / vibration)

If the damage is very recent and there is no abnormality in vehicle behavior, there are chances that re-greasing and replacing the boot should do make the work horse do it's job.


IF the vehicle is going to be used for another 50k km, you may consider the option of replacing the parts at HASS. Else,
1) Replace the complete axle assembly at FNG. It should be at least 30~40% cheaper than the above quote
2) Get it diagnosed by a reliable mechanic, replace only the ends (they call it drive shaft cup Inner / Outer) You can get it done at less than 5~8k. Did the same job in my Colleague's Fiesta (Classic) for less than 4k (1 drive shaft) including labor.
- The problem was noticed during a service on 29th November (at HASS), advice was to replace the front axle in the near future due a leakage. Post which the car has run about 600 km. The replace advice was given 2 days ago in a follow up repair stating that there is a leakage in both the axles and as a preemptive measure, they should be replaced before all the grease dries/leaks out.
- There is a slight noise in the steering column (as per HASS advisor) when going over small bumps
- He plans to keep the car for another 2 years, but the usage pattern for the car will be as above, 200-500 km a month.
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- The problem was noticed during a service on 29th November (at HASS), advice was to replace the front axle in the near future due a leakage. Post which the car has run about 600 km. The replace advice was given 2 days ago in a follow up repair stating that there is a leakage in both the axles and as a preemptive measure, they should be replaced before all the grease dries/leaks out.
HASS should have replaced the boots during earlier service itself (or your friend should have got it done from FNG) There is no point in waiting till the part fails completely.

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- There is a slight noise in the steering column (as per HASS advisor) when going over small bumps
If the noise is from some other source (and not from drive shafts) why did they still keep on insisting to replace the drive shafts?

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- He plans to keep the car for another 2 years, but the usage pattern for the car will be as above, 200-500 km a month.
Re-greasing and changing the boots should be fine, going by the fact there is no abnormality faced.
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Recently I overheard an senior mechanic guiding another customer regarding same Axle boot issue.

He asked him to go a small multi brand garage and get the old boot removed, cleaned and then fill with Axle grease and cover with new boot.

He clearly said. If there is no noise, hissing, rubbing or strange pulling to side or irregular steering issue, there is no need for Axle replacement. Its just plain waste of money.

I m of same opinion too. Unless you are worried or experiencing issues why bother changing it. Just clean and fill with Axle grease and get the boots replaced in a dependable FNG.
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I am posting on behalf of my friend. He has a 2011 i20 diesel 70,000 kms run.

HASS says Axle grease boot is torn. They say both front and rear axles will get replaced at a cost of Rs. 25,000 for parts, labor and taxes extra.

Is it advisable/possible to get only the seal replaced from a third party garage? Or should he go for the complete axle replacement?
HASS guys would rather wait for your part to go fully faulty than take preemptive action. Do read my experience of getting my axle changed here: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post4036813 (Hyundai A. S. S. Experience - By Owners Only)

Do this:
  1. turn the steering fully left and take pick up at very slow speed. Observe any sound from axle.
  2. Repeat for the right side.

Sound to expect is when old machinery parts grind against each other in absence of grease. Usually sounds like "tak tak tak".

If no such sound, immediately get the axle rubber boots changed. Now, ignore if anybody says that "Hyundai doesn't make child parts". Head straight to the spares shop inside HASS and enquire. You WILL get the original boots. Buy those and visit any FNG to change. Don't try to involve any SA, he will insist on changing the axles to mint money. Cant blame them, their commission is based on that!

If sound and you plan to run the car for more than 20K Kms, go for axle change. Else go for repair either at FNG or directly at a prominent axle repair market. Usually, cities have prominent axle repair places. Your FNG guy will also take it to those places, so either ways you are good except for a little price difference.

BDW, your SA must have said Right and Left axles instead of front and back. It is highly unlikely that both need replacement or even repair simultaneously.

All the best. Keep us posted.

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I am posting on behalf of my friend. He has a 2011 i20 diesel 70,000 kms run.

HASS says Axle grease boot is torn. They say both front and rear axles will get replaced at a cost of Rs. 25,000 for parts, labor and taxes extra.

Is it advisable/possible to get only the seal replaced from a third party garage? Or should he go for the complete axle replacement?
Even if the axle is damaged, there are repair shops authorised by axle makers who can repair them. Check with such a shop. Usually a boot change does the trick. Maruti even sells a boot replacement kit with the boots, clip and grease.

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Thank you, everyone, for the informative replies.
I'll proceed with giving the car to a neighborhood garage for repairs.
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