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Old 22nd June 2009, 22:36   #1
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I have planned an E-800 project. I got hold of a 91 Model M-800 DX. Also got a MPFI Esteem Engine. Now I'm planning to plonk this engine into the 800. All the mods will be done by friends and me. Stage 1 is just the stock Esteem engine in the car. If everything runs well then move on to Stage 2. CAI & FFE, Standalone ECU. Stage 3 (not sure) will be a turbo. This a a low budget DIY project. Still not sure if it will be successful or not but willing to give it a try. What's your opinion on this?

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I am watching this project.As far as i know and have asked only a three cylinder engine can be installed in the bay of 800 .I think if going for 4 cylinder engine you will need to do major modifications and strengthening of the front structure of 800.

Another option you can go in for which i think is much easier chop of the rear seat and plonk it in there itself .This way no issues with play of axles etc and also less technicalities are involved in it compared to front.Also the chassis will not be modified much in this case .You just need to strengthen the rear part though along with all the welds .And don not forget rear wheel drive is much more fun too.

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One thing is sure, this 800 will be the most peppy 800 found on earth and if engine is fitted in rear then no doubt you will be doing wheelie (as in fast to furious 4) as well.
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One thing is sure, this 800 will be the most peppy 800 found on earth and if engine is fitted in rear then no doubt you will be doing wheelie (as in fast to furious 4) as well.
good idea. I was contemplating dumping a 1.6 litre baleno in the rear of a dolphin. Power to weight ratio will be fantastic. but, recession made me dump it temporarily.

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I was having the same project in mind for sometime, but couldn't get around to doing it. One suggestion I gave is to have a look at the Gen1 Maruti 800,(SS80) instead od the later one, i feel its more stable than the later cars,has a more sporty driving position and way more fun to drive too.
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I have planned an E-800 project. I got hold of a 91 Model M-800 DX. Also got a MPFI Esteem Engine. Now I'm planning to plonk this engine into the 800. All the mods will be done by friends and me. Stage 1 is just the stock Esteem engine in the car. If everything runs well then move on to Stage 2. CAI & FFE, Standalone ECU. Stage 3 (not sure) will be a turbo. This a a low budget DIY project. Still not sure if it will be successful or not but willing to give it a try. What's your opinion on this?
Very much do able, however would involve a little bit of fabrication and trial and error for mounts, would also involve strengthening the 800's engine bay as you'd be putting 85 bhp in what was meant for 40 bhp ! I donot recollect the exact difference but I think the aprons also need to be cut to fit the G13B

Do let us know when you are ready to start , I'll come on over and join your crew We need to find a good fabricator(for pipe bending and cutting and mig/tig welding) in goa though , the one I knew who used to do a fabulous job just shut shop !

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Will follow this project closely Pedro. I have heard of a gentleman in Mumbai (Matunga to be precise) who had mounted and installed a Daihatsu Charade diesel into his Maruti 800 and I remember reading that he used to run his car for around close to 80kms per day and that is why he went for this heart transplant for his car. Sorry, no pics, this conversion was done way back in the early 90's. There was also a write up with pics about this in one of the auto magazines then, don't remember which one but I guess it must have been either the Indian Auto Journal or the Car & Bike as these were the two prevailing magazines back then.
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Take care of the brakes. Make sure there is a booster. I am following someone here who is doing the same.
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This is a project worth spending time and money on. I will be following this thread closely. Please keep updating as often as possible.
Seems to be quite an engineering challenge.
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Do let us know when you are ready to start , I'll come on over and join your crew !
Didn't you know you were supposed to be a part of the project? I hope Dinar and the rest are not waiting to see just the finished project as they are also expected to do something. The thread should be renamed "Our E-800 project."

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Didn't you know you were supposed to be a part of the project? I hope Dinar and the rest are not waiting to see just the finished project as they are also expected to do something. The thread should be renamed "Our E-800 project."
yes sir, when do we start - lets meet up sometime later in the week to start with
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yes sir, when do we start - lets meet up sometime later in the week to start with
As soon as you are ready. We can start with the deconstruction first. Any idea what to do with the old 800 engine?

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Take care of the brakes. Make sure there is a booster. I am following someone here who is doing the same.
Can I have some details on that project?

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Will follow this project closely Pedro. I have heard of a gentleman in Mumbai (Matunga to be precise) who had mounted and installed a Daihatsu Charade diesel into his Maruti 800 and I remember reading that he used to run his car for around close to 80kms per day and that is why he went for this heart transplant for his car. Sorry, no pics, this conversion was done way back in the early 90's. There was also a write up with pics about this in one of the auto magazines then, don't remember which one but I guess it must have been either the Indian Auto Journal or the Car & Bike as these were the two prevailing magazines back then.
I remember reading it too. There's one of these cars in Goa too as well as a Zen with a Toyota Diesel engine.

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I am watching this project.As far as i know and have asked only a three cylinder engine can be installed in the bay of 800 .I think if going for 4 cylinder engine you will need to do major modifications and strengthening of the front structure of 800.Another option you can go in for which i think is much easier chop of the rear seat and plonk it in there itself .This way no issues with play of axles etc and also less technicalities are involved in it compared to front.Also the chassis will not be modified much in this case .You just need to strengthen the rear part though along with all the welds .And don not forget rear wheel drive is much more fun too. Wish you all the best.
I'll stick with the engine in front only. Want it to look stock.
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Regarding the brakes you can easily carry over from a wagonR along with the knuckles , booster and other stuff itself.And may even the ABS (Though a lot more complex).
Also if you decide to go for front engine install i believe high speed cornering will be scary .As already M800 is very light at rear and by putting such a heavy engine upfront you will be compounding the problem.
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Also if you decide to go for front engine install i believe high speed cornering will be scary .As already M800 is very light at rear and by putting such a heavy engine upfront you will be compounding the problem.
I believe even if engine is mounted in rear then also high speed cornering is going to be scary. It will have the same problem which earlier model of Porche 911 had. Due to heavy rear, the vehicle may tend to spin if cornered at high speed.
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You are correct but at the rear that can be overcome to a greater extent by fat tyres .But when fat tyres go up front that plays with the steering read a very hard steering.
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