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Old 22nd March 2008, 17:23   #31
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Correctly brought out!
I believe Accent Viva has a viper on the rear and it has a short boot.
If it does have a *Viper* on the rear, then owners should make sure they carry some anti-venom in their first aid kit.
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If it does have a *Viper* on the rear, then owners should make sure they carry some anti-venom in their first aid kit.

Absolutely hilarious. Well spotted.
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How about doing these 3 steps in rain?
1. Turn on Demister/Defogger
2. Switch AC in non-recirculation mode
3. Adjust Temperature to a comfortable setting .
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But i personally feel, the rear wipe is needed in saloons, not for the dust cleanin purposes as stated above, but for reversing in the rain.
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If it does have a *Viper* on the rear, then owners should make sure they carry some anti-venom in their first aid kit.
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Correction: a fully loaded octi HAD one!! Only the first few batches of the elegance/L&K had them, then they were discontinued.

But i personally feel, the rear wipe is needed in saloons, not for the dust cleanin purposes as stated above, but for reversing in the rain. Especially with the kind of rain that we have here, its almost impossible to see anything when through the rear windscreen of a car. And since a saloon has a slanted rear glass, more water is always present when compared to a hatch.
reversing in rain is a pain. is it omitted because of better "looks"? can't be cost cutting?
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Noticed a similar thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-presence.html

Did not find it during the search I made earlier. It popped up on the 'similar threads' list. Guess this needs to be merged with the older one.

Wonder why 'search' did not pick it up yesterday.
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Generally on sedans the wiper arrangement would foul with the opening of the trunk lid. For cars like Viva or the Octavia (even 309), the boot opening is thru a hatch instead of a bootlid, which allows for the wiper arrangement being feasible on those cars. Even Estates have them.

To have wipers on Sedans one has to have a shorter boot opening which will definitely cause more functional inconvenience.

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Generally on sedans the wiper arrangement would foul with the opening of the trunk lid. For cars like Viva or the Octavia (even 309), the boot opening is thru a hatch instead of a bootlid, which allows for the wiper arrangement being feasible on those cars. Even Estates have them.

To have wipers on Sedans one has to have a shorter boot opening which will definitely cause more functional inconvenience.
This sounds to be the most convincing and perfect explanation.
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If it does have a *Viper* on the rear, then owners should make sure they carry some anti-venom in their first aid kit.
Even the TATA Sumo features lists it as 'viper!'

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If it does have a *Viper* on the rear, then owners should make sure they carry some anti-venom in their first aid kit.

OOOPS!! That is a typo.
Request pardon otherwise The Viper gets me!
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Generally on sedans the wiper arrangement would foul with the opening of the trunk lid. For cars like Viva or the Octavia (even 309), the boot opening is thru a hatch instead of a bootlid, which allows for the wiper arrangement being feasible on those cars. Even Estates have them.

To have wipers on Sedans one has to have a shorter boot opening which will definitely cause more functional inconvenience.
This seems like a more technical reason than dust and scum on rear window. Did Baleno VXI have one too ?
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This seems like a more technical reason than dust and scum on rear window. Did Baleno VXI have one too ?
I don't think it will be too difficult to have a rear wiper on a car with boot if such an inclusion is made during the design stage of the vehicle. And to make such a decision during the design stage the designers and the engineers should be convinced of the need to have a rear wash & wipe in the first place on a sedan with boot.
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Noticed a similar thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-presence.html

Did not find it during the search I made earlier. It popped up on the 'similar threads' list. Guess this needs to be merged with the older one.

Wonder why 'search' did not pick it up yesterday.
Thanks. Threads Merged.


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Generally on sedans the wiper arrangement would foul with the opening of the trunk lid. For cars like Viva or the Octavia (even 309), the boot opening is thru a hatch instead of a bootlid, which allows for the wiper arrangement being feasible on those cars. Even Estates have them.

To have wipers on Sedans one has to have a shorter boot opening which will definitely cause more functional inconvenience.
I dont entirely agree with that reason 1100D, it wouldnt be hard to incorporate it in the design.

I think most people are on the right track here by saying :
1. Cost cutting is preventing it from showing up on ALL cars.
2. The vaccuum/drag created by cars at higher speeds pulls dirt onto the rear windshield in the case of flatbacks. For sedans - the presence of the boot prevents the muck from getting all the way to the windshield.
3. As Mpower mentioned, its a requirement by law (for flatbacks) in some countries.

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Old 23rd March 2008, 17:24   #43
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Default its needed more on a sedan than hatchback.

IMHO there must be a bigger reason, is it not more difficult to reverse a sedan in rain than a hatchback ? Infact I got stuck for lack of visibility once on the shoulder of a newly laid gravel road at mid night .
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i was wondering. would something like , say, a spoiler help with the airflow and reduce dust ?
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Default Rear Wiper & Washer ? Why only on hatch backs and NOT on sedans?

Almost all hatchbacks and SUVs have them but I am yet to see a sedan with a rear wash/wipe. Not even upper end sedans like Mercs, BMWs, Jags. In fact, I have not seen a single sedan of any make of any nation have a rear wash/wipe. Is there a reason for it?


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