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Old 22nd January 2013, 19:34   #466
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I suspect this noise is coming from the transmission. Even my '06 model has the same problem. Its done 73000 on the odometer but I have been living with this noise since it was around 55000kms. Do you hear that same sound when you De-accelearte in 2nd,3rd or 4th gear at a particular point when you have reached the lowest speed of that gear? Its a grating kind of a sound.
But problem is even I am not able to figure out the reason.
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I've couple of queries:

2. When the car is idling, there is another weird noise (don't flame me for this - I don't know how to put it in a better way) which goes off instantly when I depress the clutch. It comes back once I release it.

It's a 5-year old with 24K on the ODO (the car is used very sparingly) and always serviced at proper intervals.

What might have gone wrong and will it need immediate attention or can it wait for the next service due (in mid Feb)?
That, most probably is the clutch release bearing.
If it is, then, better to replace the clutch assembly as well (if required), since the gearbox has to be seperated from the engine anyways.

The sound from the belt would be the alternator belt (I assume the Alto has only belt). You might want to adjust the belt tension or replace it if found unfit. While at it, you could check the alternator bearing as well.

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Old 23rd January 2013, 08:11   #467
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Do you hear that same sound when you De-accelearte in 2nd,3rd or 4th gear at a particular point when you have reached the lowest speed of that gear? Its a grating kind of a sound.
No. I hear that only when the car is on neutral. And, yes; it's sounds more like grating.

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That, most probably is the clutch release bearing.
If it is, then, better to replace the clutch assembly as well (if required), since the gearbox has to be seperated from the engine anyways.

The sound from the belt would be the alternator belt (I assume the Alto has only belt). You might want to adjust the belt tension or replace it if found unfit. While at it, you could check the alternator bearing as well.
Thank you. I'll check these out in my coming service. BTW, how much is it going to cost me for a new clutch assembly?
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Old 23rd January 2013, 09:44   #468
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Thank you. I'll check these out in my coming service. BTW, how much is it going to cost me for a new clutch assembly?
I said clutch assembly, because, if the release bearing is shot, every other time, the pressure plate will be also shot (because of the excessive heat and friction). You can get the pressure plate alone elsewhere, but I don't think MASS sells it separately. I am not sure of the exact cost, but guess it should be ~3k for the complete clutch assembly.
Also, when you are replacing the release bearing, if you change the clutch assembly (only if required), you will save up on labour.
Having said that, under normal city driving conditions, the OE clutch should ideally last for ~70k kms, unless you are into coasting the clutch.

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Old 25th January 2013, 05:10   #469
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I would first inspect if there is any bad connection on the battery terminals; if sure that it isn't the battery itself. Also get the ignition switch, (where you actually put in the key) checked.

My old Fiat 1100D developed this problem once & was rectified by changing this switch. Though the technology has changed a lot since, but it will be a good place for starting the inspection.

Also, try starting the car with clutch paddle depressed.

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Thanks Saket for the reply.

I have already changed the ignition switch (check my original post) and it was fine for a few days and than the problem came back. It cannot be a battery connection issue as it starts fine if ambient temperature is high.

Also I dont have weak cranking. Cranking is healthy, only delayed as in nothin happens for a while and than it slumbers to life.

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Couple of issues with my Alto lately.
  1. Few days back, when I had gone somewhere at night. While driving to the spot, everything was fine. When I started the car to start the return journey, the low beam would not come on. I tried multiple times, switched off the engine, tried again. Nothing worked. The parking lights and high beam work fine. I have Philips 100/90 bulbs with a Lumax relay, installed about a year back.
  2. Whenever the fuel is low, say about 1/4th tank, the car seems struggling to pull. Feels low on power. Is this common with Altos? My suspicions are on the fuel pump. It has never been serviced yet. The car is about to touch 75k, 10 years.

Any pointers?

EDIT: Something important I forgot to mention. While trying to diagnose the fault with the low beam, I inspected the fuses. The fuses for the headlights are in the fuse box in the engine bay. Image attached:

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According to this, the fuses marked 6 & 7 are for the headlights. I inspected both and they are fine. The surprising thing was that when I had removed fuse marked 6 to inspect, I turned on the lights and both headlights still worked!!!

I did not have the courage to try it for the other headlight.

How is this possible???

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1. Lights.
The shcematic shows that each side HL has a fuse. So both low beam and high beam are on the same fuse. This means that is one beam is not working it is either the wiring or the bulb.

2. Fuel - some possibilities
. You may have a vapour lock - the breathing hole in the fuel cap is blocked. Check and clean the filler cap.
. There may be a leak in the fuel inlet pipe in the tank, so that is draws air along with fuel after a certain level is reached. This will require specialist effort so get the tank and the fuel line checked by a specialist.
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1. Lights.
The shcematic shows that each side HL has a fuse. So both low beam and high beam are on the same fuse. This means that is one beam is not working it is either the wiring or the bulb.
I thought just as much. But just for the sake of it, gave them a look.

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2. Fuel - some possibilities
. You may have a vapour lock - the breathing hole in the fuel cap is blocked. Check and clean the filler cap.
. There may be a leak in the fuel inlet pipe in the tank, so that is draws air along with fuel after a certain level is reached. This will require specialist effort so get the tank and the fuel line checked by a specialist.
Thanks for the suggestions. Will check the filler cap, and in case it doesn't solve it, will have the fuel line inspected.
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I had this question in my mind for a long time but was little hesitant to put it across as it might seem silly.

Whenever I drive my Alto I feel that the power and handling is absolutely great and the engine feels eager to be Revved up during the night. However, I feel the engine response to be very Lull during the day time. I understand that outside temperature plays a role in the engine response but however I am confused over such a big difference in the response between day and night drive.

My car is due for service by first week of April. I have bought Mobil XHP 10W40 mineral oil for the engine. Thanks to GPA for his reviews on this oil in his ownership report. I would like to know if MASS uses uniform brand of Engine Oil Coolant for cars or is there an option in the list of Engine Oil Coolant they use so that I can request them to use the best one for my Engine to perform better. If so which one should I be choosing?

Any help and suggestions on this would be highly appreciated.
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I had this question in my mind for a long time but was little hesitant to put it across as it might seem silly.

Whenever I drive my Alto I feel that the power and handling is absolutely great and the engine feels eager to be Revved up during the night. However, I feel the engine response to be very Lull during the day time. I understand that outside temperature plays a role in the engine response but however I am confused over such a big difference in the response between day and night drive.

My car is due for service by first week of April. I have bought Mobil XHP 10W40 mineral oil for the engine. Thanks to GPA for his reviews on this oil in his ownership report. I would like to know if MASS uses uniform brand of Engine Oil Coolant for cars or is there an option in the list of Engine Oil Coolant they use so that I can request them to use the best one for my Engine to perform better. If so which one should I be choosing?

Any help and suggestions on this would be highly appreciated.
1.
. There may be a variety of reasons, not the least that the roads are crowded during the day. Check the "Day Response" by driving on an open highway.
. If your engine response deteriorates during hot nights then you may have some ambient temperature related issues. These can vary from aging fuel pump to frayed HT cable to the spark plugs. The problems have to be rectified one at a time till you are satisfied.

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Maruti has the correct engine oil in the users manual. They also stock "Maruti" stamped oil from public sector firms which conforms to the specifications. In general these are mineral oils and not synthetic oils. Desist using synthetic oils as they will not help you. Further synthetic oil on engines designed for mineral oils may result in oil seals leaking. Under Indian city driving conditions it is advisable change oil at shorter intervals as B2B traffic plays havoc with the additives in the oil, hence the advantage of synthetic oils; long change interval; is negated.
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...I would like to know if MASS uses uniform brand of Engine Oil Coolant for cars or is there an option in the list of Engine Oil Coolant they use so that I can request them to use the best one for my Engine to perform better...
I am sorry, Engine Oil Coolant?? You mean really just engine oil right?

Or have I misunderstood and there is really coolant somewhere in the picture?
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I am sorry, Engine Oil Coolant?? You mean really just engine oil right?

Or have I misunderstood and there is really coolant somewhere in the picture?
Sorry Swarnava, it is a typo from my end. What I would like to understand is whether is there any specific engine coolant that could be used along with the Engine Oil that would help improve the performance of the engine. If my understanding is correct, Engine Coolant are also added during service of the car when the engine oil is changed.

So I would like to know if there is any specific engine coolant that I could use which might improve the performance of the engine. Kindly correct me if my assumption is wrong.
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Whenever the fuel is low, say about 1/4th tank, the car seems struggling to pull. Feels low on power. Is this common with Altos? My suspicions are on the fuel pump. It has never been serviced yet. The car is about to touch 75k, 10 years.
Have you changed your fuel filter lately? I doubt the case can be due to partially clogged fuel filter also.
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If my understanding is correct, Engine Coolant are also added during service of the car when the engine oil is changed.

So I would like to know if there is any specific engine coolant that I could use which might improve the performance of the engine. Kindly correct me if my assumption is wrong.
The only coolant is added to water in the radiator!

If you are asking about engine oil additives, my answer is a big NO. A good brand of engine oil is sufficient.
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The only coolant is added to water in the radiator!

If you are asking about engine oil additives, my answer is a big NO. A good brand of engine oil is sufficient.
Yes Sir. You got me right , thank you. I wanted to know about the Engine Oil Additives which I was referring to as Engine Coolant. I believe then I will have the Engine Oil alone replaced during the service and see the potential difference in performance. I am hoping it to get better.
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^^If your car is under warranty and you take your own oil, please be advised they will endorse in the job card that the oil was brought by the customer. This will give them an avenue to wriggle out of warranty in future, should a claim arise. It is a small risk, but it exists!

If you want to avoid it altogether, let your MASS fill their own oil! Else, buy the oil from a reputed store and keep the invoice carefully!
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