The ABS discussion thread!! - Page 13 - Team-BHP

kuttapan · 24th June 2008, 03:02

Manoj, the judders are difficult to notice on dry tarmac, unless you are doing panic braking, try doing it where there is a bit of sand on the road, or wet tarmac(ensure safety before doing). It is easier to test ABS work in these conditions.

straight6 · 24th June 2008, 06:25

I just rode an '08 FZ6 with ABS today and it was awesome. I love bikes with ABS.

jaysmokesleaves · 24th June 2008, 10:44

In low traction conditions abs does work by preventing wheel lock up but at the same time causes an increase in breaking distance. Depending upon the terrain you are on... say for example a long stretch of gravel road, if you need to brake hard then sometimes the brake judder is so much(since the abs feels desperate) that you wonder if the vehicle is ever going to stop. This is especially true if you are trying to negotiate a rough terrain bend at high speeds. IMO, abs works best in the rains on tarmac... but for sakes of pure fun... i think it sucks.

Manoj · 24th June 2008, 17:00

I will update, Till now I couldn't able to find out a location, where I felt safe for testing. Mostly in the city and narrow roads, as of now I am assuming that there is no problem in my car's ABS,

spyker13 · 11th September 2008, 14:17

plus pot holes and humps too.so i feel ABS sometimes can be a total disaster for the indian roads.

kuttapan · 12th September 2008, 06:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyker13

plus pot holes and humps too.so i feel ABS sometimes can be a total disaster for the indian roads.

Please explain how. Have you driven an ABS car for any length of time to come to such a conclusion? The pros far outweigh the cons(which is only on gravel/snow)

s0uljah · 12th September 2008, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyker13

plus pot holes and humps too.so i feel ABS sometimes can be a total disaster for the indian roads.

Could you please elaborate which times ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW77

Is Maruti supplying cheap ABS equipments?

All MSIL ABS kits are procured directly from SGP (Japan).

teknophobia · 12th September 2008, 21:42

Frankly, I would rather put my money on better footwear and brakes than ABS any day, somehow I get really scared by the thought that my car won't do what I want it to do when I need it most.

Thad E Ginathom · 12th September 2008, 23:45

Like have the steering wheel actually do something when you are about to hit someone?

That's what ABS is about.

I've only once stood on the brake with a collision inevitable because there is no possibility of steering (wheel might as well have been disconnected). I can't say for certain that I could have avoided that accident if the car had ABS, but it would have given me a better chance.

Remember ABS is for serious emergencies. In normal driving, even in India, you should never even be aware of it.

mikem · 13th September 2008, 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by teknophobia

Frankly, I would rather put my money on better footwear and brakes than ABS any day, somehow I get really scared by the thought that my car won't do what I want it to do when I need it most.

I agree!!

Just visit think post of mine. TYRE TEST VIDEO (Coin Test for Tyre Wear checking). I have posted a video of a test by tirerack which shows a 2mm difference in tread depth makes a difference of upto 100 feet in braking distance with A.B.S.

So footwear is very important.

s0uljah · 13th September 2008, 08:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by teknophobia

Frankly, I would rather put my money on better footwear and brakes than ABS any day, somehow I get really scared by the thought that my car won't do what I want it to do when I need it most.

Your forum ID kind of spells that out for us!

Better foorwear and brakes will help no doubt. But what good is it when your 30k aftermarket brakes lockup your 25k imported tyres and your car turns into a hurtling mass of metal with no definate direction?

teknophobia · 13th September 2008, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0uljah

Your forum ID kind of spells that out for us!

Better foorwear and brakes will help no doubt. But what good is it when your 30k aftermarket brakes lockup your 25k imported tyres and your car turns into a hurtling mass of metal with no definate direction?

What do you do when your 60k ABS system decides that steering control would be a better idea than a quick stop? Write a complaint letter from the grave? The other day, the signal that's obscured by the trees caught me by surprise on the worli seaface road. I managed to stop with less than an inch to spare between me and the corolla ahead of me. With ABS I would have had an option of a) hitting the Corolla or b) the BMW to the right of it or c) the taxi to the left of it.

Thad E Ginathom · 13th September 2008, 18:04

There are two big mistakes that people make about ABS:

--- that it necessarily shortens stopping distances

--- that it necessarily lengthens stopping distances

However, on a reasonably normal road surface, it is very unlikely to lengthen them, because its purpose is to maintain brake pressure at maximum efficiency. The fact that this is just before lock-up also gives us the side result that steering may be possible.

There is every chance that ABS might have given you two inches to spare! If you skidded to a halt, ABS would likely have given you better stopping distance. If you didn't, it wouldn't have made any difference!

Once graves come into the question, there is probably nothing that the best braking technology could have done anyway --- although the thing I'd most like then is called, I think, Brake Assist, which senses, Sheesh, this is for real and increases the brake pressure beyond what your foot can apply

s0uljah · 13th September 2008, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by teknophobia

What do you do when your 60k ABS system decides that steering control would be a better idea than a quick stop? Write a complaint letter from the grave?

My SGP ABS kit cost 20k and Im loving it! Didnt know 60k one's have the power to put you in the grave. Heck There's heaps of people out there who would put you in the grave for a fraction of that sum!

All these years we have all managed without ABS, so it isnt a necessity.

Remember the ABS gives you the option of steering... not forces you to steer.

Im glad I waited those extra months for the option though. Like Kuttapan said earlier in this thread... just get on with your non-ABS lives

Shashank.A · 13th September 2008, 19:47

well, while driving the normal cars as well, its always adviced by experience drivers to use brakes with Breaks, just to avoid locking.

24th June 2008, 10:44	#183 (permalink)
jaysmokesleaves BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mostly Mumbai Posts: 341	In low traction conditions abs does work by preventing wheel lock up but at the same time causes an increase in breaking distance. Depending upon the terrain you are on... say for example a long stretch of gravel road, if you need to brake hard then sometimes the brake judder is so much(since the abs feels desperate) that you wonder if the vehicle is ever going to stop. This is especially true if you are trying to negotiate a rough terrain bend at high speeds. IMO, abs works best in the rains on tarmac... but for sakes of pure fun... i think it sucks. __________________ Truth is a grain of sand on a beach of perspective !

24th June 2008, 17:00	#184 (permalink)
Manoj Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cochin Posts: 14	I will update, Till now I couldn't able to find out a location, where I felt safe for testing. Mostly in the city and narrow roads, as of now I am assuming that there is no problem in my car's ABS, __________________ Impossible --> I m Possible

12th September 2008, 21:42	#188 (permalink)
teknophobia BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 67	Frankly, I would rather put my money on better footwear and brakes than ABS any day, somehow I get really scared by the thought that my car won't do what I want it to do when I need it most. __________________ I drove an Indica Turbo at speed while the front wheels were of different sizes and did not even realise it

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24th June 2008, 03:02	#181 (permalink)
kuttapan BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 670 View My Garage	Manoj, the judders are difficult to notice on dry tarmac, unless you are doing panic braking, try doing it where there is a bit of sand on the road, or wet tarmac(ensure safety before doing). It is easier to test ABS work in these conditions.

24th June 2008, 06:25	#182 (permalink)
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,116	I just rode an '08 FZ6 with ABS today and it was awesome. I love bikes with ABS.

11th September 2008, 14:17	#185 (permalink)
spyker13 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: coimbatore Posts: 3 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	plus pot holes and humps too.so i feel ABS sometimes can be a total disaster for the indian roads.

12th September 2008, 23:45	#189 (permalink)
Thad E Ginathom Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,122	Like have the steering wheel actually do something when you are about to hit someone? That's what ABS is about. I've only once stood on the brake with a collision inevitable because there is no possibility of steering (wheel might as well have been disconnected). I can't say for certain that I could have avoided that accident if the car had ABS, but it would have given me a better chance. Remember ABS is for serious emergencies. In normal driving, even in India, you should never even be aware of it.

13th September 2008, 18:04	#193 (permalink)
Thad E Ginathom Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,122	There are two big mistakes that people make about ABS: --- that it necessarily shortens stopping distances --- that it necessarily lengthens stopping distances However, on a reasonably normal road surface, it is very unlikely to lengthen them, because its purpose is to maintain brake pressure at maximum efficiency. The fact that this is just before lock-up also gives us the side result that steering may be possible. There is every chance that ABS might have given you two inches to spare! If you skidded to a halt, ABS would likely have given you better stopping distance. If you didn't, it wouldn't have made any difference! Once graves come into the question, there is probably nothing that the best braking technology could have done anyway --- although the thing I'd most like then is called, I think, Brake Assist, which senses, Sheesh, this is for real and increases the brake pressure beyond what your foot can apply

13th September 2008, 19:47	#195 (permalink)
Shashank.A BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 137	well, while driving the normal cars as well, its always adviced by experience drivers to use brakes with Breaks, just to avoid locking.