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Old 11th November 2016, 18:35   #76
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So except for a few mountain regions in India where it snows - the necessity of ABS will be largely negated.
Hope this wasn't conveyed to you by an over enthusiastic car salesman.

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I don't where you got your info but evidently you can do with some more reading around these. ABS simply prevents wheel lockup that happens in panic braking situations. It is superfluous to state that at high speeds if the wheels suddenly lock up it can lead to catastrophic and unpredictable results like slide, skid, uncontrolled spin or even toppling of the vehicle.
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Hope this wasn't conveyed to you by an over enthusiastic car salesman.
I stated the necessity of ABS is negated. I did not state it is completely useless. Of course a car skids in rain and of course ABS helps; let me assure you it skids significantly more on black ice and it is far more useful in those conditions.

I wish it has been a car salesman - I am saying this from personal experience having driven through a bunch of snow storms and on icy roads in both ABS and non-ABS cars. And having driven on rain drenched roads in ABS and non-ABS cars too. On my first day of driving on black ice in a non-ABS car - the car promptly did a 360. Irrespective of my car having ABS or standard brakes, I have never lost control while driving in rain and I have driven in pretty severe rain. On icy surfaces your car may skid with ABS too but you will be able to control the steering - without ABS you are pretty much on a wing and a prayer. The braking distance is actually longer on ice if you have ABS - but the more important thing is that you can steer the car into a safer position.

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http://www.wikihow.com/Drive-on-Black-Ice
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I stated the necessity of ABS is negated.
You stated the necessity of ABS is largely negated which is completely wrong. ABS has far more benefits than that alone. Both under slow speed driving and high speed driving, under dry as well as in wet conditions ABS is immensely useful.

I remembered this incidence where a car salesman who was pushing for a lower model since he had that only in his stockyard and he argued that since we don't have to drive in snow hence ABS is mostly not needed for India.

Typical sales pitch, right? I took it as a pinch of salt and moved on.
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The braking distance is actually longer on ice if you have ABS - but the more important thing is that you can steer the car into a safer position.
While I agree that ABS is most useful on black ice, we surely can't neglect it on normal road even with perfect weather conditions. It'll also help in panic braking situations- pretty common on Indian highways, maybe not as common in countries where driving sense is better.

ABS does increase braking distance in any situation it kicks in, but that's better than losing control and not being able to stop right?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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While I agree that ABS is most useful on black ice, we surely can't neglect it on normal road even with perfect weather conditions. It'll also help in panic braking situations- pretty common on Indian highways, maybe not as common in countries where driving sense is better.

ABS does increase braking distance in any situation it kicks in, but that's better than losing control and not being able to stop right?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Overall, you are correct - we can't neglect it and it is useful. I was merely stating it is not as useful in normal driving conditions as some marketing chaps would have us believe. It is better to have ISOFIX than not - I'd rather have 6 airbags than two. The more safety features in a car, the merrier it is.


ABS reduces braking distance in normal driving conditions; in conditions where braking is difficult because of lack of traction like on black-ice the braking distance increases for most drivers unless they are specialist drivers trained in something called "threshold braking". I don't remember it as well as I'd like - it has been over 15 years since I attended an optional seminar on safe driving to reduce my insurance premium.

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^^ While I agree with most points, I would like to point out that prevention of the accident is better. So, ABS is important.

If you point a gun at my head and ask me to choose b/w ABS and dual airbags, I would choose ABS.
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