Petra - OEM Battery Problem?

[motionfreak]

Bosch dealer in Mumbai told me that Palio requires a special low hight battery, when I bought 2 9A batteries for my bikes. His price was around 7.5K
Is it true?

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by motionfreak

Bosch dealer in Mumbai told me that Palio requires a special low hight battery, when I bought 2 9A batteries for my bikes. His price was around 7.5K
Is it true?

The Palio takes a DIN50 or DIN55 battery. It is special in the sense that the dimensions are according to DIN (German) specs while most other car batteries are JIS (Jap) specs. DIN batteries are used mostly by European car mfrs.

Cheers!

[SS-Traveller]

Even the Accent CRDi I had, used to require a DIN-spec 55AH / 60AH battery. DIN batteries have a plastic lip at the base, which is used to clamp the battery into place, rather than a clamp passing over the top of the battery body.

I had replaced mine with a 55AH Prestolite battery in the winter of 2008-09 (after 4+ years), and IIRC the cost was less than Rs.4500 - not including the buy-back value of the old battery. Have automotive battery prices shot up this much in the last year or so?

[motionfreak]

Today i found that one of the cells is bad. So I need a new battery, preferably 55Ah.

From above two posts...
can we say that 50 Ah JIS battery will cost less than 50Ah DIn Battery?
Is there anyway that I can fix JIS battery in Palio?
What would be that approx cost of 55Ah battery?

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by motionfreak

Today i found that one of the cells is bad. So I need a new battery, preferably 55Ah.

From above two posts...
can we say that 50 Ah JIS battery will cost less than 50Ah DIn Battery?

DIN batteries are generally more expensive though capacity and model being equal there should in theory be no difference in mfring costs. But then DIN being European gives the batt mfrs a chance to squeeze a little bit more outa the customer.

Is there anyway that I can fix JIS battery in Palio?

I do not believe you can. Size of the case, terminal orientation and mounting brackets are different. The DINs have a protruding lip at the base to hold them in place with a special bracket while JIS has a metal bracket that crosses over the top from front to back.

What would be that approx cost of 55Ah battery?

Best to ask a battery dealer. Prices vary widely by battery manufacturer model and state to state, it would be between 4.5k to 6k.

Answers inline. Hope they help.

Cheers!

[RX135]

Originally Posted by motionfreak

What would be that approx cost of 55Ah battery

I guess, Palio and Petra both are having same DIN50 battery. I checked Exide and Amaron prices and, both are around 7.5K. I am yet to check out multiple dealers, but I'll update this thread once I buy one.

[motionfreak]

got in touch with BOSCH dealer,Worli, Mumbai
DIN 50 is unavailable
DIN 55 is 5920/- MRP
10% discount and 250-300 less for old battery
I'm ordering DIN 55, should get it by Saturday.

[RX135]

Originally Posted by RX135

I guess, Palio and Petra both are having same DIN50 battery. I checked Exide and Amaron prices and, both are around 7.5K. I am yet to check out multiple dealers, but I'll update this thread once I buy one.

I checked with Amaron Pitstop today.

He recommended DIN45 Amaron for Petra. I was not sure if DIN45 would be good replacement for DIN50, for which he said that it is recommended by Amaron. The chart which he showed includes Sienna (Petrol) which is essentially same as Petra(Petrol).

The price Quoted for DIN45 with 4 years warranty (2+2) is around 4900 after battery replacement.

I asked him if we should replace DIN50 with DIN55 instead of DIN45. He said that it will load the alternator and certainly not advisable.

Any thoughts on this?

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by RX135

I checked with Amaron Pitstop today. He recommended DIN45 Amaron for Petra. I asked him if we should replace DIN50 with DIN55 instead of DIN45. He said that it will load the alternator and certainly not advisable.

Your dealer is giving you a load of crap. My father's Palio 1.6 has a SF Sonic DIN50 (OEM is DIN50). It is now 2 years old. The Palio 1.6 petrol has a 90A alternator which has more than enough charging capacity for virtually any capacity car battery provided it fits.

Speak to other Amaron dealers and/or those dealing in other brands.

Cheers!

[RX135]

Originally Posted by R2D2

Your dealer is giving you a load of crap. My father's Palio 1.6 has a SF Sonic DIN50 (OEM is DIN50). It is now 2 years old. The Palio 1.6 petrol has a 90A alternator which has more than enough charging capacity for virtually any capacity car battery provided it fits.

What are advantages of installing DIN55 instead of DIN45? I can ask him to fit DIN55 instead.

[R2D2]

Originally Posted by RX135

What are advantages of installing DIN55 instead of DIN45? I can ask him to fit DIN55 instead.

Every time you crank an engine you use a %age, albeit small, of the battery's capacity. Once the engine fires up the alternator works to replenish the charge. The smaller the %age drain the faster it gets back to 100% state of charge which is the best for long battery life. Therefore with all other things being equal, in theory a 45AH battery is discharged to a lower state of charge than a 55AH unit. That does not help for better battery life. In theory the 55AH should last you longer than the 45AH.

It also helps to have a higher capacity battery in case you have after market stereos fitted or use other high drain electrical loads like 100/90 headlamp bulbs.

Cheers!

[RX135]

After lot of deliberations, I decided to go ahead with Amaron company recommended battery, that is DIN45.

Amaron (not the dealer) recommends Amaron Flo DIN45 for Palio/Siena (Petrol). The person, who I was interacting with also confirmed it with seniors at Amaron that, DIN45 is correct replacement for Exide OEM DIN50 battery and that's what they have done several Palios and Petras.

The warranty is 2+2 years and total price after discounts and battery replacement was Rs. 4880.