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Old 22nd February 2010, 10:52   #1
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Question starting problem in me ole Bolero GLX

i did try and search for this as most of my queries are made redundant by the depth of threads in this forum. But I could not find an answer. My ole girl has started to take a long time to start. Innormally heat it about three to four times and then pump the accelerator as I turn the ignition.
i have had one heater changed and the other's were found to be okay a month or so ago. so what do I need to get done, to have the ole gal in roaring shape again?

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Has to be one of the following three (in the same order);

- Since you state the need to heat her up 3 - 4 times, my first suspect is the set of glow plugs. Change all 4 of them if you haven't in the last 3 years / 40,000 kms.

- What's the condition of your battery? How old is it? Get a battery tech to gauge its health.

- Starter unit.

Whats the vintage / kms of your Bolero?
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Has to be one of the following three (in the same order);

- Since you state the need to heat her up 3 - 4 times, my first suspect is the set of glow plugs. Change all 4 of them if you haven't in the last 3 years / 40,000 kms.

- What's the condition of your battery? How old is it? Get a battery tech to gauge its health.

- Starter unit.

Whats the vintage / kms of your Bolero?
I haven't changed the glow plugs in the last few years. Battery is running two years, I will check its health. Starter unit okay, will have that gone thru, my Bolero had done about 1,40,000km. I want to change to a new car now, but it keeps going and going like the energiser bunny :-). And it is a year 2002 model glx with the XD3p engine. I really got lucky with this one.

Thank you for taking the time to answer.

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How is the condition of the engine otherwise? Is it healthy, giving good compression? Any oil consumption issues?

1,40,000 kms is a good time to get the engine checked and overhauled completely.
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How is the condition of the engine otherwise? Is it healthy, giving good compression? Any oil consumption issues?

1,40,000 kms is a good time to get the engine checked and overhauled completely.
XD3P is a sturdy engine and if maintained properly will last 2.5- 3 Lakh Kms before a rebuild. So unless there is a major oil consumption issue, I would recommend a compression check.
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I think it is guzzling a little more, now that I am asking...errr who does the compression check? Will a Mahindra dealer do it or should I go to a specialist like Delphi? Thinking of going to a guy in zamrudpur in Delhi, he was recommended by a mahindra expert.
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I think it is guzzling a little more, now that I am asking...errr who does the compression check? Will a Mahindra dealer do it or should I go to a specialist like Delphi? Thinking of going to a guy in zamrudpur in Delhi, he was recommended by a mahindra expert.
Thanks for your help.
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How much oil do you have to add every 1000 Kms? If its more than 500 ML, then we are looking at trouble. But don't open up the head unnecessarily.
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My ole girl has started to take a long time to start. Innormally heat it about three to four times and then pump the accelerator as I turn the ignition.
Hi,
From experience with XDPs and XD3s, offhand I would say that the engine is not spinning fast enough to start. But given the vintage, the other suspect would be the FIP.

Though I would not suspect the heaters, it is the easiest to check. So do it. Next easiest to check are the injectors. Both assume you have access to another properly working vehicle.

In an older engine, everything has drifted off-spec. Identifying the chief cause can sometimes be very difficult.

Why pump the accelerator?

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Is this starting trouble on a cold engine only or also when the engine has reached normal operating temperature.
Pumping the accelerator wont make a difference according to me when the engine hasn't already started.
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I have been told to check the injectors earlier by a friend. I was eliminating the other possibilities before doing that. It is consuming more engine oil but truth be told I haven't been dilgent enough to note whether it is per thousand km. The starting trouble is on a cold engine mainly, once it has started then it works fine, I was blaming the severe winter at first but then I thought it should be able to go through freezing temps, it was only about 5*c this year. So thank you for your inputs gentlemen, I really appreciate it.

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I will check the injectors now. The oil consumption has gone up but I haven't been diligent enough in noting whether it is per thousand km. The problem is normally with the first start of the day or with a cold engine, once it starts then its smooth going.
Why pump the gas? Good question, I guess a reflex action when I despair :-).
Thank you for your inputs gents I really appreciate it.

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How about getting your alternator checked ?It sould also be the battery not holding charge for a long time when the engine is switched off.How about checking the starting load of the self starter?
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I will check the injectors now. The oil consumption has gone up but I haven't been diligent enough in noting whether it is per thousand km. The problem is normally with the first start of the day or with a cold engine, once it starts then its smooth going.
Why pump the gas? Good question, I guess a reflex action when I despair :-).
Thank you for your inputs gents I really appreciate it.

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Suggested injectors be checked, as in interchanging with a known working set, not because these are high up on the list of suspects, but because it is better to eliminate the easier to check jobs first, . Almost certainly the injectors will show signs of wear. Question is whether that is the culprit.

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How about getting your alternator checked ?It sould also be the battery not holding charge for a long time when the engine is switched off.How about checking the starting load of the self starter?
Your "feel", or ear in this case, is pretty ok in judging if the engine is turning over fast enough. The electrical system needs to be checked only if you feel it is not.

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Hi,

Managed to get the injectors cleaned, total expense Rs.200 (100 to Delphi +100 to the mechanic from another workshop for opening and again assembling the unit).
The Delphi ustaad advised that it is time to change the injectors after cleaning them. So far it is starting smoother with one heating and no pressing on the accelerator etc. The Delphi guy reccomends a cleaning of the fuel line. Will prolly do it when I have it serviced at the regular Bolero dealership/garage. So far the ole gal is humming along sweetly. Thanks to all of you for your advise.

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Hi,
Servicing injectors requires a bit more than just "cleaning" them out. And also you have to put these on a test bench to see that they are all within specs, AND behaving identically.

Anyway, as long as you are happy.

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