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Old 16th September 2012, 09:41   #16
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I own a ford endeavour 4x4, recently i have been having problems with its instrument cluster, it seems that the speedometer, tacho and fuel gauge is dead. Rest of the LED indications are working fine. Ford service engineer replace the cluster with another cars cluster and decleared that my cluster need replacement. --Price 41k and the worse part the part is -- not in stock.

Well I would like to know if these clusters can be repaired in and around GOA or any place were i can find a old working instrument cluster. If any of the team members can provide some contact details it would be of great help.

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I'm sure a competent electronics engineer can troubleshoot the console. Could probably build you a new one as well. Shouldn't be too difficult. Kurla Scrap Yard would be my best bet for a replacement.

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Hi, can anyone tell me about where to repair the fused bulbs of the instrument cluster of ford figo, in and around Delhi? The service center changes the whole console, which i think is unnecessary.Thanks in advance.
If the console for the Figo is anything like the one in the Ikon, you can replace it with LEDs. No replacement required, EVER. My profile picture is of the instrument cluster replaced with LEDs (I found the default green too dim and annoying). If it is backlit, you may have to open it up a bit more.

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If the console for the Figo is anything like the one in the Ikon, you can replace it with LEDs. No replacement required, EVER. My profile picture is of the instrument cluster replaced with LEDs (I found the default green too dim and annoying). If it is backlit, you may have to open it up a bit more.
That is exactly what I have been trying to do. But then I am a doctor and not very good with ammeter and electronic stuff, but I am very OK to opening things up and tinkering. The problem is, I generally deal with different "models" and it took me eight loong years to read it's "service manual" which I must say, is very well documented .

So, my first step was to get a service manual for Ford Figo, which I managed to get last month from SA. (I have posted it here: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post2882840 (Download the Owner's Manual (of Indian Cars) in PDF Format) )

Unfortunately, it is not well documented and does not tell me about the bulbs inside the cluster.

Second, I have combed the internet for DIY, and have got some excellent discussions here: http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum...evised-270511/

and here

http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum...ised-24052011/

(Mods: Is it OK to give links to other forums?)

Third, I can source the LEDs from here:
http://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/i...cluster-gauge/

(I suffer from Friends in US (FUSS) syndrome.)

But the problem is I need someone with the expertise to tell me what LEDs to order. I am kind of lost after this step. The website tells you which LEDs replace bulbs of which number. But the Ford manual does not tell me the number of the bulbs used in the cluster. Alternative option would be to take the cluster to any electrical engineer who repairs these consoles, who can tell me the wattage/voltage etc of the stock bulbs. There are specification charts from which I can then proceed.

I can also source a LCD grade Polarizer film for the two displays in the car.

I will be overjoyed if you or any one else can guide me from here. I generally don't like to open "it" up till I am very sure of success of the "operation" . A very bad habit hammered by years of training, you see. So I was looking for an electrical engineer in and around Delhi.

By buddy you are an amazing diagnostician, to have hit the "beemari" from the vague symptom I posted.

Cheers!
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But the problem is I need someone with the expertise to tell me what LEDs to order. I am kind of lost after this step. The website tells you which LEDs replace bulbs of which number.

But the Ford manual does not tell me the number of the bulbs used in the cluster. Alternative option would be to take the cluster to any electrical engineer who repairs these consoles, who can tell me the wattage/voltage etc of the stock bulbs. There are specification charts from which I can then proceed.
The LEDs you link to are drop-in replacements for the bulbs, i.e. the socket will fit. They run on 12V as well, but the light output may be different.

For practically every incandescent bulb used in a car, the voltage is always 12V, it's the current that differs- hence the wattage also differs. Technically, you could connect one of the instrument cluster bulbs to your headlights without blowing them up- they work off the same voltage. If you can extract one of the bulbs, the wattage will be stamped on it.

In my experience (although you need the technical chart for the LED in question for real analysis- lumen output, wattage, diffraction angle, etc.), LEDs consuming around 20% of the wattage of an incandescent bulb give similar output.

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I can also source a LCD grade Polarizer film for the two displays in the car.
Not all LCDs are the same. At times it is not a tinted polarizer, but a coloured LED in the diffuser which gives a characteristic glow.

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I will be overjoyed if you or any one else can guide me from here. I generally don't like to open "it" up till I am very sure of success of the "operation" . A very bad habit hammered by years of training, you see. So I was looking for an electrical engineer in and around Delhi.

By buddy you are an amazing diagnostician, to have hit the "beemari" from the vague symptom I posted.

Cheers!
I don't know about diagnostics I've done- YOU yourself posted that the bulbs were fused, I did no detective work- but thanks for the complement
Don't worry about things going wrong, just open up the console and have a look. As long as you can put it back together, there is no problem. The bulbs are already shot as it is, and if you can't get this fixed then you're going for a new cluster anyway- what do you have to lose? I'm sure a lot of Team-BHP members will help out with the "operation" if you post your progress. Additionally, I'll go through the manual and tell you if I come up with something.
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So, my first step was to get a service manual for Ford Figo, which I managed to get last month from SA. (I have posted it here: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post2882840 (Download the Owner's Manual (of Indian Cars) in PDF Format) )

Unfortunately, it is not well documented and does not tell me about the bulbs inside the cluster.
If you mean the 129 MB manual, then it seems to indicate (GROUP 4 - ELECTRICAL- INSTRUMENTATION AND WARNING SYSTEMS- Instrument Cluster) that the existing lighting is also via LEDs. However, the car model you have may differ.

In case your cluster does indeed have LEDs, I doubt they're burnt out- it's probably a fuse or wiring issue somewhere.
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If you mean the 129 MB manual, then it seems to indicate (GROUP 4 - ELECTRICAL- INSTRUMENTATION AND WARNING SYSTEMS- Instrument Cluster) that the existing lighting is also via LEDs. However, the car model you have may differ.

In case your cluster does indeed have LEDs, I doubt they're burnt out- it's probably a fuse or wiring issue somewhere.
OK, Let me open up the cluster and take some pics. Will post them by tomorrow. Thanks for giving me the confidence to go ahead.
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Recently, speedometer, odometer and trip meter of my Fiat Palio Stile stopped working. Other instruments like the fuel level guage, temperature guage and tachymeter were working fine.

Took it to my trusted local mechanic who diagnosed it correctly. The sensor had gone bad. He got a new one from JC Road for about 1800/- and installed it last evening. It seems to have fixed the problem.

The original sensor which has gone bad has 'Padmini' on it...
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My S60 instrument cluster (DIM) stopped giving the audio alarms and now only the visual indications work.
The Volvo ASS is telling me to renew the part, which obviously doesn't come cheap.
I thought that I will seek help here first before doing anything else.
Anyone who is technically inclined or familiar with similar systems, please advise.
If anyone can give me the contact details of someone who does repair the instrument clusters, it will be of great help. Thanks.
Anyone who had one a repair of the instrument cluster, help

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