Go Back   Team-BHP > Under the Hood > Technical Stuff


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 22nd June 2010, 19:16   #1
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default Failed Engine Double Crank Preventer, or Whatever The Name Is!

My Ford IKON Flair had an 'Engine Double Crank Preventer' (I'm not sure its called by this name ). Well, the function of it is to stop the engine being cranked again after being cranked once, thereby saving damage to the starting motor brushes, alternator etc. It does this by preventing the key to be turned two times in a row towards the cranking position. If you crank once and if your car doesn't start, you will have to turn the key all the way towards the off position and crank again, so that it makes sure that the engine is turned off before cranking again.

However today I discovered that this lock, preventer or whatever it is named, is not working and my car could be cranked as many as times needed without actually turning off the engine. I need that lock very much, as my dad and wife drive my car and they sometimes do not notice the engine running and crank again which could result in major damage. This has happened many times in my previous car's but not in this because of the lock/preventer.

1. Does anyone know if there is a DIY for repairing it?.
2. How much will it cost for replacing it in A.S.S
3. What could be the sudden cause of failure?
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 00:11   #2
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default

hey, doesn't any one know anything about this?
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 00:25   #3
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NAMMA BENGALURU
Posts: 5,613
Thanked: 2,459 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs View Post
hey, doesn't any one know anything about this?

There is no DIY solution to this problem.

I advice you to buy a new ignition set and replace it on your Ikon. Its a great safety feature installed by Ford, dont do otherwise.

The cost of ignition kit should be anywhere between Rs.1200/- to Rs. 2000/- , MINDA also makes them.

Keep us updated.

Last edited by PAVAN KADAM : 24th June 2010 at 00:27.
PAVAN KADAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 00:33   #4
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 573
Thanked: 49 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM View Post
There is no DIY solution to this problem.

I advice you to buy a new ignition set and replace it on your Ikon. Its a great safety feature installed by Ford, dont do otherwise.

The cost of ignition kit should be anywhere between Rs.1200/- to Rs. 2000/- , MINDA also makes them.

Keep us updated.
But then the "key" for the ignition will not match the key for the doors. You will have to carry two keys or change the entire set of locks. Could be expensive.
CrackedHead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 00:47   #5
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NAMMA BENGALURU
Posts: 5,613
Thanked: 2,459 Times
Default

A complete lock set, including all door locks,should be worth around Rs.2500/-

Its better to spend this money than spend Rs 9800/- for a failed starter.
PAVAN KADAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 20:04   #6
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default

Would changing the entire lock set disable my keyless entry?. I guess I will have to reinstall my keyless entry??..

Also I would like to know what could be the reason the failure of that safety feature?. Any suggestions?
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 20:14   #7
Senior - BHPian
 
pulsar56's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,173
Thanked: 319 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs View Post
Would changing the entire lock set disable my keyless entry?. I guess I will have to reinstall my keyless entry??..
I don't think changing the entire lock set will have any kind of impact on the key less entry system. The remote lock/key less entry is controlled by a separate module and has nothing to do with the locks.

Get this done at a A.S.S only as in case there is a immobilizer, the codes might need to be changed. (not sure about this though!)
pulsar56 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24th June 2010, 20:18   #8
Senior - BHPian
 
lohithrao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Kudla/Mangaluru
Posts: 3,125
Thanked: 163 Times
Default

danush, try lubricating the lock , this should help due to the rains at times this can happen. last week even i had problem in starting the car.
lohithrao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2010, 12:52   #9
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lohithrao View Post
danush, try lubricating the lock , this should help due to the rains at times this can happen. last week even i had problem in starting the car.

Hey, lohithrao, thanks for your suggestion. but then, my problem is its too easy to start the car twice . Actually this makes my dad and wife crank two times unknowingly, and this fries all the starting mechanisms.

The lock which prevented the car from being cranked twice has just disappeared, and I'm looking for a reason for this to happen. Atleast i can prevent it next time.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2010, 15:03   #10
Distinguished - BHPian
 
sgiitk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Kanpur
Posts: 7,162
Thanked: 3,757 Times
Default

Reminds me of functionally the same feature in my Ford Escort in the UK in the early 70's. There was no fancy electronics, etc in those days. If you cranked the engine once you had to switch the ignition to Off before you could crank it again. Functionally the same thing!
sgiitk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2010, 16:15   #11
BHPian
 
msaudf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cochin
Posts: 266
Thanked: 146 Times
Default

I have to agree with lohithrao. the lock that prevents double turning of the key could be stuck due to moisture and dust accumulation, you could simply solve it by lubrication. why not give it a try than spend thousands of rupees?
msaudf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th June 2010, 23:06   #12
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,446
Thanked: 4,055 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by msaudf View Post
I have to agree with lohithrao. the lock that prevents double turning of the key could be stuck due to moisture and dust accumulation, you could simply solve it by lubrication. why not give it a try than spend thousands of rupees?
Sorry msaudf & lohithrao, I guess I missed the point. Will clean it up. lubricate it. Also will keep you guys updated.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Converting Light Crank to Heavy Crank in Royal Enfield Standard Bullet 350 1996 Model navin_v8 Motorbikes 63 9th October 2013 20:41
DIY - Double Crank Prevention Mr.Boss DIY - Do it yourself 23 9th November 2012 20:19
Whatever you do...do not... ajmat Shifting gears 35 13th October 2005 08:32
For whatever Octavia is... DRC The Indian Car Scene 41 10th July 2005 23:03
Whatever happened to the Ford Ikon 1.8D Revvmaster The Indian Car Scene 3 6th October 2004 13:55


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 05:40.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks