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Old 31st August 2010, 17:00   #31
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Manish SS Traveller has summed up all the information nicely.However i would like to point out:

1)Engine Scan will not reveal worn out piston rings or,excess ovality of the cylinders. Get a dry and wet compression test done.Engine scanner only provides data measured by the engine sensors.For turbo it would just show the boost pressure.

2)Turbo failure if not properly cared for by the previous owner.Costly affair.

3)Mistakenly pouring petrol and driving for 1-2kms would not do much damage, as diesel is heavier than petrol and will settle at the tank base, from where the fuel pump sucks the fuel.The car will sputter and stop when petrol will enter its fuel lines.Cleaning the fuel tank and all the fuel lines will solve the problem.

4)If the piston rings are worn out then oversized rings have to be used which as far as i know Hyundai does not supply.You may have to replace the Entire engine block with all pistons and rings or else get the block bored with sleeve insertion and use normal size pistons and rings.The latter being a very high precision job, has to be done strictly by engine boring experts.Costly affair.

5)Thus its better you take up the matter with Mahindra 1st choice and ask them to bear the repair cost.

6)Accent CRDi in good normal condition has fantastic performance with awesome pick up.

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Old 31st August 2010, 20:01   #32
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And the Mahindra First Choice guys are going to see my side on Tuesday. I'll just blast them off.

After the buildup, I guess what transpired today will be like an anti-climax.
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Hey manishk83,

It was good to meet up. Couple of other things I'd like to add, the CRDi's acceleration even without the Pete's box was enough to pin you to the seat once past 2000rpm. Ok. Will try to get to as close as possible.

Like I said suspension was on the stiffer side. But the engine needs to be looked at. Just remember don't give into anything they say. Ensure you get it repaired at their cost and also tell the them about the suspension. Get whatever you can get done from them. Well, I agree it's an attractive proposition (getting the suspensions repaired free of cost but you know what: I knew I was purchasing a used car and that the suspensions were not-so-good. Wouldn't be right to now go to them and say that they cheated me off good suspensions. But engine, definitely yes!

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Dear friend for suspension you can go to a suspension specialist at oberoi suspension AT Bandra his phone numbers are. 26004068,9920806885, this belongs to mr. Babubhai, he is down to earth person with extensive knowledge,and allways tries to save your money as he can, about your struts he can solve your problems, you may visit his website WWW.Oberaisuspension .Com,at least I am fully satisfied with him,he solved major problems in my suspension and front axles of my CRDI 2004 model 79000kms run sold recently for 2,35000/-,you may quote my name to him for special discount just qoute my name IQBAL SINGH to him.For your Deisel injectors,pump problems you may go to Mr. Manohar at Gajdhar Bandh at Juhu, his garage is next to Vintage Car Garage on the corner of road going towards Gajdhar Bandh he is a well known person and his charges are very very nominal, I had got my CRDI fuel pump serviced with new kit of all rubber washers etc and duly calliberated he chrged me 1300/-,A.S.S. had qouted me 9800/- for the same job.Please try them out. Thankyou Iqbal, will definitely try them out when I decide to go for suspension overhauls.
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Pardon the delay in replying, Manish.
And you are a Distinguished BHPian!!!This forum truly has some gems.

May I add, I've actually started looking forward to your replies.

Quick check: Disconnect the turbo hose - a 2" pipe running along the right side of the car (to your left as you look into the engine bay) - run the car and rev gently to @1800-2000rpm. You should be able to hear the turbo howl as the revs go up, and feel a distinct rush of air from the pipe. Replacing the turbo is an expensive exercise.

Will definitely do that. And if the air rush & turbo howling (I'm not sure how do I make out the howl noise!) aren't there, then there's something wrong with the Turbo?

...and drinks engine oil too. And doesn't pass a PUC test as well. The guy who said that deserves your sympathies - the smoke got to him over the years.

Oh! he did get an earful today. BTW, my PUC test some 20 days back had 39% smoke. Don't know if the PUC tests are authentic in the first place but if they are, does this point to anything?

DO get a compression test done from an independent garage, and have them certify the numbers. If you are getting ready to fight First Choice, you'd better have the weaponry ready.

Actually, the compression test m/c at the Asset Hyundai was not working and they couldn't perform it today. I nevertheless went ahead and gave it to the Mahindra guys to look into the smoking, low compression & turbo failure.

An engine scan will NOT reveal broken piston rings or damaged camshafts. At best it can reveal a lower turbo boost, if at all.

Yes, the A.S.S. guys too told me this today.

Why don't you try this first? Forget the scans and attempts to repair for a day. Go back to First Choice, and very politely ask them to replace the car with something else in their inventory, which might catch your fancy.

You see, inspite of the problems I've fallen for the car. But yes, at the time of delivery (post-repair) if the problem still persists will definitely demand this!

The alternative seems too expensive - rebuilding an Accent CRDi engine can cost big $$$$ - not less than 40-50k INR.

Hyundai quote:
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65k (depending on what they find once the engine is opened

Turbo = 70k (Man! oh Man!)

(Not saying that I'm getting this done but just got the quote to understand what sort of numberss am I dealing with!)

So what was the outcome of today?

Well, post-Hyundai (whose Compression test m/c wasn't working properly) went to the Mahindra guys and detailed out to them the problem. And they were gentlemanly about it. Have told me they'll take care of the smoke problem and look at the compression tests to see if anything is a problem and if it is, they'll repair it. And that they'll also replace the turbo if its faulty. Though I have a feeling they won't open the engine until I give them a dressing down (yes, it'll come to that; but not for now). So, am waiting for their call saying that the car's ready and only once when I check the car will I be in a position to take any further action. But, I'll hope for the best.


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6)Accent CRDi in good normal condition has fantastic performance with awesome pick up.

I will get there!

Shantanu
You know what, was just wondering the other day. How long would/should/could I keep the car? 6mnths-1yr-2yrs-3yrs-4yrs. How long? How many kms? I know I don't yet know what will turn up when I get a call bak from Mahindra but still..! Because eventually the answer to this question (length of ownership) will help me decide how much should I be spending on the car?
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Old 31st August 2010, 22:33   #33
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How long would/should/could I keep the car? 6mnths-1yr-2yrs-3yrs-4yrs. How long? How many kms?
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You see, inspite of the problems I've fallen for the car.
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Turbo = 70k (Man! oh Man!)
Manish, trust me on this, you'll be far happier exchanging that particular car for something else - even wait for a few weeks and get another Accent CRDi (from First Choice themselves) in better condition. I would not buy this particular car, however much I might fall for it.

If I were the First Choice guy, I'd probably pour in a heavier grade engine oil (heck, even mix some 80EP gear oil into it too), and dump in a can of Bardahl Oil Treatment for good measure. The smoking / compression loss issues will be masked, you'll be happy with the car for a few hundred km, and then your... what was that term used in another thread?... buyer's remorse... will leave you with sleepless nights.

Unless you're budgeting to keep aside another 40-60k INR for repairs in future... (I'm assuming the turbo is fine - should not be affected by running the car on petrol).

Edit: Why do you persist with this car? Does it bear a lucky registration number or something?

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Like SS says, a replacement would be the best solution. But if the car has been transferred to your name, the chances of them replacing the car are slim, but it won't hurt to try and get one.

Also the Accent's turbo isn't really audible, so you won't be hearing a turbo whistle from this car. And your clutch wasn't slipping as far as I could tell, but it could be a different story once your engine is at its full potential. I would reccomend to change only if you encounter clutch slip (ie. abnormal rise in rpms with not much corresponding rise in speed). Clutch hardness was also near normal. Remember a diesel car generally has a harder clutch.

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^^ Hard clutch is a sign of worn pressure plate in CRDi versions of Accent, Verna, Elantra and Sonata. If you experience judder before turbo kick in the flywheel could be scratched too.
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...the Accent's turbo isn't really audible, so you won't be hearing a turbo whistle from this car.
Very true - not while one is driving. Which is why I suggested opening the turbo pipe and listening. The music is quite nice then!

I do hope First Choice has not been overzealous in transferring the documents to Manish's name already.

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.anshuman, what you say is also correct. But I drove his car and the clutch wasn't really too bad.

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Manish, sorry for the late reply but i advice u to try exchanging the car instead of you sorting it out.Its an expensive affair fiddling with CRDI Engine. My dads crdi has clocked more than 1,70,000 without any problems with the engine and performance.But i am aware that if some problems rise up in the engine, its better selling it off as its way too expensive to repair.
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All of you seem to be suggesting the same thing. That I should sell the car asap. But you should remember it's just been 3 weeks since I've purchased it + the car's been transferred in my name + I have a 1-year warranty on most things including the Turbo. And I can go to the Mahindra guys whenever a problem occurs. I need not go the H.A.S.S. at all. I can have the car for the whole year on zero maintenance. Plus I have a 1-yr 24x7 roadside assistance. Also, after having got the car transferred in my name, disposing off the car would probably fetch me 25-30k less than what I paid for it. An engine overhaul would cost 60k. Even if, by any chance, I have to spend on the overhaul (which I don't see why considering the 1-yr warranty) the difference's only around 25k approx. And I would have a new car then.

My Mahindra experience:

I gave the car to Mahindra, as I have already posted, on Tuesday. I called up the Mahindra mechanic yesterday. He's said that he's going to open the engine to ensure that there's no fault. And he said that he's going to send parts to the lathe shop (which parts could they be?). I also warned him & the service advisor that post-delivery, I'll again take the car to the H.A.S.S. guys to check the compression and if there's a problem still, I'll want the car exchanged and that there'll be all hell to pay with me contacting the Mahindra First Choice head office. They might decide not to do jugaad.

Also, SS-Traveller, putting a heavy grade oil + Bardahl might solve the issue but they too realize that there's a 1-yr warranty and it'll do them no good for if it starts smoking again, they'll again have to do the repairs.

After the points that I've made above, do you still think that I should sell the car even booking a 30k loss??? If you still think that's the way to go, I'll ask the Mahindra guys the question over the wekend.

Waiting for your replies.
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Mahindra mechanic... going to open the engine... And ...send parts to the lathe shop (which parts could they be?).
The engine parts that need to go to a lathe shop are usually the cylinder head (for valve seat grinding or inserting new valve seats), block (for inserting new cylinder liners) and the crankshaft (for machining the areas where the bearings run). Looks like you're getting a free engine rebuild. Fingers crossed.
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@everyone: It's been a while since any update and hence have not posted anything here. Will have an update from the Mahindra guys on Tuesday and will then know if the performance of the car's improved and has the smoking problem been taken care of?

But had a small query, other then better performance and a compression test, is there anyway of finding out if they have done an engine rebuild or just kept the car at their garage for a week??
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There are plenty of telltale marks to let one know whether an engine has been opened up recently or not, but for you, Manish, I suppose you'll have to trust the FC guys.

OT: Manish, your avatar shows the image of an Accent Viva Petrol!
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OT: Manish, your avatar shows the image of an Accent Viva Petrol!
No, that's a Viva CRDi or atleast I thought so. Could it be photoshopped? BTW, that's my car - a red beauty (Superficial?? I'll know soon ). Please check the link:

Google Image Result for http://www.suseehyundai.com/images/accent-viva-CRDi.jpg

In a lighter vein, after the FC fiasco, you'd think I would always check again to be doubly sure about diesel vs. petrol
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The CRDi Viva came with a different grill ...
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The CRDi Viva came with a different grill ...
Ouch! (That after me claiming I'll doubly check for petrol vs. diesel ) Yes you're right.

My! what eye you guys (SS-Traveller & AbhiJ) got for detail.

But, I'll stick with the image. Can't find a decent red Viva CRDi image over the net. This looks so much sportier .
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