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Old 13th May 2011, 17:40   #226
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Couple of days back my sx4 ran out of battery. So I had to remove the battery and recharge it outside the car. After fixing it back I found the car impossible to drive as every time I depress the clutch the engine rpm falls below 500 rpm and stalls. After going through the sx4 shop manual I found that a throttle body re-calibration has to be done if the battery is removed for more than 20mins. The procedure is done by removing the negative of the battery for more than 20 mins, after that reconnect the negative terminal and keep the car on ignition switched on (without starting) for more than 5 seconds during which the throttle body re-calibrates itself. Then the car is switched off, and the procedure is complete. The car is certainly much better now and will report on further testing as I was not able to take it for a proper drive.

Forgot to mention that as experienced by some members in this thread there were some vibrations when idling and also the idle was very erratic .

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Old 13th May 2011, 22:53   #227
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My Figo switched off by itself while reversing with steering fully locked. There was a sound when i turned the steering to full lock (similar to air suction) & when i reversed, the car lost power & the engine died.

My passenger (automobile engineer) remarked "some hydraulic power steerings have this complaint"

Is there any connection to above events? I hope not.
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Old 14th May 2011, 00:45   #228
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Lack of update had more to do with my modem at home going kaput.
But yeah, my car has been running fine for the past 4 days. It should have clocked around 180 Kms since the injector replacement. Frankly speaking I would like to believe that the real solution comes in the form of an ECU firmware update rather than such expensive and significant parts replacement so early in the car's life.

Kudos to that. Even i believe that there's nothing wrong with the injectors.

Vina, I seriously believe your car does not have any issues as of now, at least the problem that is being discussed here, touchwood.

I also join hands with jayded to that. The problem discussed here is completely of a different league. Vina, i believe is confusing the issue. I am pretty sure that his car doesn't have any problem as of now. You are just getting a bit too cautious and skeptic. Relax and pray that you don't actually join our league
I took my car to the service centre today and as expected they just couldn't (wouldn't) do anything since they could not replicate the problem. And i had to just draw a long blank.

However, now that i was already there in the service centre, i had noticed droplets dripping in the foot well and pointed it out to them. I had dismissed it till date thinking that it was condensation on the clutch/ brake levers because of the usage of A/C and the difference in ambient temperatures inside and outside the car. But it turned out that it was a leak from the main clutch lever oil reservoir.
They replaced it under warranty (would've been poorer by Rs 2000 otherwise) and refilled my clutch lever oil by 500 ml which had already dripped out by the time i admitted my car to the service centre.
If any one facing similar droplets please do get it checked up

Another good thing which happened to me was that the Caculo Ford service centre in Goa completely touched up my anti rust under body coating which was badly bruised and scraped (thanks to the "great" G.C), free of cost. They were quite accommodative as i had got that done from Ahmedabad and i did not even have the 3M warranty card with me.
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My Figo switched off by itself while reversing with steering fully locked. There was a sound when i turned the steering to full lock (similar to air suction) & when i reversed, the car lost power & the engine died.

My passenger (automobile engineer) remarked "some hydraulic power steerings have this complaint"

Is there any connection to above events? I hope not.
When you turn the steering fully, there is a change in the RPM of the engine in Hydraulic power steering cars. You can verify this while standing still also. The sound you heard is of the power steering fluid pump.

The car could have died down if you did not give enough acceleration or if you released the foot off the clutch pedal rapidly. Was the engine switching off accompanied by a short duration sound which goes like "Vhoom" ?
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Vina, I seriously believe your car does not have any issues as of now, at least the problem that is being discussed here, touchwood. The engine braking and the jerking should be felt on all Figos. Even after 9K on the odo I've still not perfected a jerk-free shift. The downshift from 3-2 delivers a heavy engine braking too. I think currently there is nothing for you to worry and that's how the car is supposed to behave.
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I didn't know your cars are stalling when the clutch is depressed - mine doesn't do that.

I got confused because in one post @anilsanil mentioned that the moment he detects stalling he presses the clutch (he has now clarified that he meant he engages the clutch).

Your problem is a perplexing one even though I haven't observed it in my car.

Can you tell me what kind of rpm do you guys run the car on?
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I didn't know your cars are stalling when the clutch is depressed - mine doesn't do that.

Can you tell me what kind of rpm do you guys run the car on?
I generally maintain it between 1500- 2000 as recommended by Ford. However, Gemi has recently adviced to take it a bit more aggressive. I am contemplating that presently but haven't started doing it
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When you turn the steering fully, there is a change in the RPM of the engine in Hydraulic power steering cars. You can verify this while standing still also. The sound you heard is of the power steering fluid pump.

The car could have died down if you did not give enough acceleration or if you released the foot off the clutch pedal rapidly. Was the engine switching off accompanied by a short duration sound which goes like "Vhoom" ?
I realize that i have not tried turning lock to lock in the entire 3700 kms. Will check & update.

There was no sound. I was taking a U turn there was a bike parked on the road. I turned the steering full lock (with the power steering pump sound) & reversed & the engine shut down with a vibration. I switched off the AC, cranked the engine & slightly turned the steering wheel & reversed. No sound & no problem.

I have not tried to reverse with steering on full lock after the incident.

Will update by evening regarding that.
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turned the steering full lock (with the power steering pump sound) & reversed & the engine shut down with a vibration.

This vibration that you witnessed was because of the engine being lugged to a very low RPM, it might have been possible (happens to me also occasionally) that you did not give the threshold accelerator required.
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This vibration that you witnessed was because of the engine being lugged to a very low RPM, it might have been possible (happens to me also occasionally) that you did not give the threshold accelerator required.
I just tried the same now at home but the engine is not shutting down. The hissing sound of the power steering pump is there (maybe i never noticed it because of the music which is always on), otherwise everything is fine.
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I just tried the same now at home but the engine is not shutting down. The hissing sound of the power steering pump is there (maybe i never noticed it because of the music which is always on), otherwise everything is fine.
Even I noticed this sound only today, after reading about it here!
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The hissing sound when you fully turn the steering is normal. Just ensure that you dont hold the steering at that position for long. If you are hearing the hissing sound turn back the steering just a little bit. Its better for the power steering motor.

And all Figo owners dont confuse the stalling issue mentioned by jayded with the normal stalls that happen at slow speeds. Here are a few things you need to know about the behaviour of the Figo.
  • The Figo does not pull from second gear after a slow down at bumps (especially if the A/C is on). It gets better after around 15-20k km on the ODO but still the engine strains to pull in second in such situations an could lead to a stall.
  • The Power available while in Reverse Gear seems to be slightly less. I really cant explain it but it definitely feels less powerful and could lead to a stall if there is an incline and the a./c is running.
  • There are situations when the a/c compressor turns on just when you start accelerating causing the engine to move towards a stall rpm. Mostly happens in afternoons when a/c fan is set on higher speeds

What Jayded is facing (and many others) is a situation where you are running normally and press the clutch to change the gear and you suddenly hear the chimes and realise that the engine has stalled. Its a scary situation especially since the steering becomes hard all of a sudden.
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Fingers crossed I haven't faced this problem. But I did notice one thing. When you remove the plastic cover over the engine you will see the rectangular airbox. There is one side which has a few mm gap between the top of the air box and the air filter. This is at the clean side of the air filter which means that there is dirty air entering from the opening and going straight into the intake manifold/turbo.

The below pic shows the circled area which has the gap. Just by removing the plastic cover on the engine and not removing the top of the air box cover one can see the red coloured air filter and see a visible gap.

We did an experiment and also found when you revved you could see dust make it's way to the opening. This leads to an air leak and as a result dirty air would go in and you would lose the air flow into the turbo. Definite loss of pickup.

ps: I'm running a BMC filter but this gap is wider with the OR filter and it's not cos of the BMC.

Can other's post pics of this please.

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The below pic shows the circled area which has the gap. Just by removing the plastic cover on the engine and not removing the top of the air box cover one can see the red coloured air filter and see a visible gap.
Put a proper picture with the angle in which you can see the leak, a picture from top will not help. When you look from side, the leakage point is visible and one can see the air filter through the gap.
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We did an experiment and also found when you revved you could see dust make it's way to the opening. This leads to an air leak and as a result dirty air would go in and you would lose the air flow into the turbo. Definite loss of pickup.

ps: I'm running a BMC filter but this gap is wider with the OR filter and it's not cos of the BMC.

Can other's post pics of this please.

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I did not quite get you, may be I will understand when I see the air filter for myself. But do you think we can attribute this air leak to our problem? If yes any particular reason why it is infrequent and unrepeatable?
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Hello all,

After seeing the cars of Jayded and others becoming guinea pigs for the experiments to solve this issue, I have had a long chat with Talera Ford's service manager and explained him all the solutions that were proposed and how still the problems persisted.

After his initial diagnosis did not work (resetting the ECU and cleaning the air filter) he reported the same to RSM. I spoke to him how the problem is not repeatable and how there are many users who are facing the similar issue.

After the chat, the RSM was convinced that this problem is a bit complex and told me that he would send his "specialist technician" to get my car checked. But before that he also wanted to know the other cars that are facing the issue, so if you guy's do not mind please PM me your details (name, place and registration number) to me. I will collate them and send it to the RSM for further action. I am planning to send this list by 23rd May 2011. So please PM me your details before that.

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