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Old 20th July 2011, 15:25   #286
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Two days back. My car stalled without notice. I was travelling behind a truck on the highway and since he slowed down i pressed the clutch to shift down the gear. Alas! i was greeted with 4 chimes!!!
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Two days back. My car stalled without notice. I was travelling behind a truck on the highway and since he slowed down i pressed the clutch to shift down the gear. Alas! i was greeted with 4 chimes!!!
In fact my car stalls daily after the reported incident. By the way did you change your fuel pump recently?

I changed mine from BP to HP and the stalling is less prevalent now.

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Old 21st July 2011, 01:31   #288
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hey guys

I just stumbled across this thread through a Facebook link while one of my friends was doing "pre-buy" research on Ford Figo. I am having a hard time connecting to this problem and it appears that I might be the only one replying in this thread that has not faced this problem. I bought the car in April 2011, done abt 9K kilometres till now and a few trips on the highway speeding up to 165 odd and one one occasion, drove the car continuously for about 800 kilometers (Bangalore to Shimoga and back the same day). By god's grace (and the car's!) I never faced the stalling issue. I seriously think it might be a fuel-quality issue since I have at least 5-6 friends who are driving a Figo and never faced this stalling issue. Of course the car has stalled with the wrong clutch release on occasion but never without me understanding why it stalled.

Some things I diligently follow, which may be basic (I am no guru at this) but since I have not had a problem, following these may actually help:

1. Give the car a minute or two in idle after a cold start before moving
2. Turn the a/c on only after a few kilometers of running, this usually avoids the jerky behavior (and the need to clutch often to keep the rpm stable in a certain gear)
3. After every drive on traffic-choked roads running in max 2nd or 3rd gear, when I park the car, I rev the engine a few times over the 3K RPM mark in neutral and wait a minute before turning it off after the revs (A tip I got from an Indica cab driver at work)
4. Refuel the car well before the tank runs into less than 10 liters of petrol, it usually avoids air cavities in the fuel line (again, tip from the cab driver)

Thankfully I am having a fantastic experience driving this vehicle and haven't faced any issues so far. I will certainly keep an eye out and report back if I or any of ,y friends happen to face this issue.

Hope you find the solution to this problem. It can be very serious if luck and timing go bad :(
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hey guys

I just stumbled across this thread through a Facebook link while one of my friends was doing "pre-buy" research on Ford Figo. I am having a hard time connecting to this problem and it appears that I might be the only one replying in this thread that has not faced this problem.

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What is your car? Is it a 1.4 or 1.2? Sounds like you have a petrol engine(you mentioned petrol and all). Please confirm.

But if you did not face the issue. It is good . At least I do fill fuel from reputed pumps and follow all the idling principles along with the 3000-3500 rpm thing. And I religiously fill Diesel (should I be filling petrol :P) before the DTE goes below 80, but I still face the issue. Also, if the issue is with fuel quality there should be other issues as well first one being drop in mileage excessive noise, I get very good mileage (17-18kmpl within city) so I am ruling out poor fuel quality.

By the way, idling the engine before and after the start is related to turbo which I believe is completely unrelated in here.

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I am having a hard time connecting to this problem and it appears that I might be the only one replying in this thread that has not faced this problem.

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Thankfully I am having a fantastic experience driving this vehicle and haven't faced any issues so far. I will certainly keep an eye out and report back if I or any of ,y friends happen to face this issue.
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I have a TDCi titanium and haven't seen this problem so far - so you are not the only one. Mine is a new car (3months 1660km) and I have had city rides only - so don't know if/when it will hit me.


The thing is people who are facing this and tracking this are doing all of us a favour. Kudos to anilsanil especially.
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Default re: Figo TDCi: Dies occasionally while downshifting! Solved: Updated firmware by Ford

Faced the similar stalling issue in my figo diesel as well.

It was the first start of the day and had driven just 200 odd metres. I was in 3rd gear at 30 kmph with A/C on, saw a bad patch of road, pressed the clutch and downshifted to 2nd and the engine stalled!

What I feel is

1. ECM was not able to keep the minimum rpm.
2. Bad quality Diesel (the needle is between half and the line below it.)
3. Driving the car in test mode made it happen. Please note that I was not driving the car in test mode when this happened.

Stating this 3rd point - as after I got to know about this test mode thing and used it, the car stalling issue came up (exactly 7 days after I used the test mode for the first time)
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3. Driving the car in test mode made it happen. Please note that I was not driving the car in test mode when this happened.

Stating this 3rd point - as after I got to know about this test mode thing and used it, the car stalling issue came up (exactly 7 days after I used the test mode for the first time)

Have other people who are facing this problem also (ever) used the test mode?

This doesn't make much sense, but if it is ECU related then may be it can happen.
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Twice yesterday my Figo just shutdown its engine in the middle of a 4 lane highway without any warning. I was on the overtake lane at 70-80kmph I just escaped without being hit by the car behind. I was doing 70kmph and braked to around 50kmph when the engine ceased abruptly and yeah i pressed the clutch to change the gear (without the hiccups which naturally accompanies the incorrect gear for speed).

The clutch was pressed and I was wondering how can the engine stop ? I had faced this problem twice before.I was thinking that was one off incident. Now this is getting really scary.
Has anybody got it corrected yet ? I use the test mode in the car almost often (not for any diagnostic purpose but just for seeing the digital speedo)

Fuel quality is not the issue as I am filling from a BP Company owned outlet (if the diesel there is not good then god help me)

This problem with Figo is going to be a killer. It has the potential to be dangerous and could claim lives.

Ford : Are you listening ?
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Have other people who are facing this problem also (ever) used the test mode?

This doesn't make much sense, but if it is ECU related then may be it can happen.
I used the "test mode" long long ago but never during or just before when the stalling thing occurred at a very high frequency.

BTW I did put the car to test mode after seeing the post from @diesellover and I am yet to stall my car.

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Twice yesterday my Figo just shutdown its engine in the middle of a 4 lane highway without any warning. I was on the overtake lane at 70-80kmph I just escaped without being hit by the car behind. I was doing 70kmph and braked to around 50kmph when the engine ceased abruptly and yeah i pressed the clutch to change the gear (without the hiccups which naturally accompanies the incorrect gear for speed).

The clutch was pressed and I was wondering how can the engine stop ? I had faced this problem twice before.I was thinking that was one off incident. Now this is getting really scary.
Has anybody got it corrected yet ? I use the test mode in the car almost often (not for any diagnostic purpose but just for seeing the digital speedo)

Fuel quality is not the issue as I am filling from a BP Company owned outlet (if the diesel there is not good then god help me)

This problem with Figo is going to be a killer. It has the potential to be dangerous and could claim lives.

Ford : Are you listening ?

That is frightening, try getting diesel from HP COCO and see if the problem persists. It may be just a coincidence but my car stalls a LOT when I fill up at BP and ever since I am refueling at HP no stalling at all.
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Default re: Figo TDCi: Dies occasionally while downshifting! Solved: Updated firmware by Ford

Running the car in test mode, in my opinion, is not connected with the stalling issue in any way.
My car has never been run in test mode till date, yet have faced the problem multiple times. The car is nearing 3K kms after the injector replacements and have not stalled since. I still fill fuel from the same pump (BP) which I'd been using while facing the issue.
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Default re: Figo TDCi: Dies occasionally while downshifting! Solved: Updated firmware by Ford

I fill diesel only at HP pumps since I purchased this car (June 2010). I did not faced this stalling issue and hence was not following the thread. A couple of days back I had this experience for the first time and then it got repeated twice in the next 2 days. I believe this could be due to bad fuel but I will observe for a few more days and get back.

Thankfully, I have experienced it during very low speeds, unlike figo_mba where it occurred at comparatively higher speed. Thats really scary.
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@Figopian,

Could the culprit be the clutch?
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Could the culprit be the clutch?
Clutch or not, the definite culprit is disengaging the clutch (depressing the clutch pedal). There is something that is cutting the fuel supply to the engine to such an extent sometimes that the engine just stalls.
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Clutch or not, the definite culprit is disengaging the clutch (depressing the clutch pedal). There is something that is cutting the fuel supply to the engine to such an extent sometimes that the engine just stalls.
Exactly! Once you press the clutch (or release it after the gear shift) the engines dies. At first, I didn't even knew that the engine had died as my right foot was on brake and not on accelerator. Thanks to the chime that made me realized that the engine is off.
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This is no trivial problem. What does the Ford service network have to say about this? Such an issue was never reported in the Ford Fiesta TDCi, hence seems specific to the Figo. And it seems to be happening at alarming regularity even among the Figo owners on t-bhp.

Ford India should address this problem at the earliest before it snowballs into something bigger. Maybe Mustang can help?
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