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Old 28th July 2014, 17:20   #571
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It seems, this stalling issue is generic on all fords, be it diesel or petrol, figo or fiesta, escorts or mustangs.

Not sure about this, as it never happened to my 7.5 year-old Fiesta 1.6 petrol so far. It has not happened to my Figo tdci either, after the ones I've reported a few posts above. In the Figo's case, I guess it had something to do with our driving petrol cars all along till the Figo came into our garage.
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I hope the admin sticky's the solutions discovered in this thread. Reading 39 pages to get see what was the solution is a little tedious. I'm having similar issues with my figo and just wanted to know what the solutions were so that I could recommend checking the same when I take my vehicle to the service station.
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Hi friends, I was looking out for a solution to this issue, have i not found out this thread I was considering shifting to either Swift or Honda to get a reliable engine with which i can be sure of being safe behind the wheel and not getting into trouble because of an engine failure at high speeds.

The story goes on some what like this:

What happened; In the year 2012 was the first time I faced this issue on highway travelling at around 80-90kmph and the engine stalled/died/failed all of a sudden neither was a clutch engaged nor was there any reason for me to slow down the car when this happened.

What I did: Considering this an issue I approached the A.S.S. told them what the issue is. car was covered under warranty at that time.
What A.S.S. did:- So they called up a technician, he plugged in some wire connected a lappy and started taking some readings then reinstalling the software. after this process he said i am sure you are not going to face any issue after this checkup i put my trust in his words drove away. Fine for a year.

Next when this happened:- In year 2014 again the problem started showing up but as it was not so frequent I just mentioned it in the routine service thing they said they took care of the issue and told me now I am not going to face it anymore. Again I put trust in their words and drove away. for some months again it was fine.

What is happening now(reason behind this post):- For last some months (in the year 2015) this stalling issue has become so frequent that i am terrified of driving this car and far more scared of handing it over to any one in my Family or to my friends. You never know when the engine would die/fail/stall it might be a Roundabout (in chandigarh) or a Straight Road a highway. I faced it when I drove from Chandigarh to Haridwar, the car stalled many a times (almost 4-5) that too in thick of traffic and for almost three times I just feel like someone prayed for me to be back home that I managed to avoid someone rear ending me, and one clear incidence when I managed to avoid colliding with a Tractor trolley entering the road (Saharanpur - Yamunanagar) and the engine died/failed/stalled.
Currently I am facing the issue as frequent as three times within a span of 2 kilometers.

Where the problem is now:- As soon as I press clutch (& the clutch is the culprit) the engine dies/stalls/fails I am so afraid of pressing clutch i wish I could just throw gears without pressing clutch so I do not kill the engine and put myself and fellow traffic in danger due to my powerless steering dying brakes which can be put back to life only once I turn around the key and start the engine again (crucial some seconds in a traffic which says "Chalti ka naam gaadi" and doesn't understand this is a FORD*)

As soon as I press the clutch the engine doesn't get enough of what it needs to keep running/live/working.

After it happened & what I faced on road, how I managed:- It was in our language a "jugaad" that I found out to handle this issue on high speeds (and felt like driving a makeshift test vehicle) On a straight road as the engine dies/stalls/fails if i have time all I do is at a manageable speed I leave the clutch again after putting the car in third gear so that the engine gets the power again, feeling to be in sorry state of affairs it works. as the A.S.S. is yet not able to figure out what's wrong. This "Jugaad" doesn't work all the time as I do not find space enough to accommodate the push it gets as the engine starts after leaving the clutch.

Escalating this issue to the A.S.S. and to custmail@ford i expect the least. Today as i write this up I am so terrified of this vehicle that I am in a fix as to how would I drive this to the service center. How much justified is it that I used this vehicle for three years as if it was leased to me by Ford, didn't even get a scratch on the wiring, No ICE No extra electronics/electricals not even the much needed high powered headlamp bulbs.

Maybe I was way too wrong in selecting a vehicle this time.

Conclusion: would like to say good bye to ford 'forever' because I really don't want myself to be *Found On Road Dead (FORD*).

Thanks for reading. (Clutch is the culprit but that is not the issue, its about why didn't the company recall the vehicle and change the required part when its such an issue).
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Hi friends, I was looking out for a solution to this issue, have i not found out this thread I was considering shifting to either Swift or Honda to get a reliable engine with which i can be sure of being safe behind the wheel and not getting into trouble because of an engine failure at high speeds.

Thanks for reading. (Clutch is the culprit but that is not the issue, its about why didn't the company recall the vehicle and change the required part when its such an issue).
The problem is a simple clutch switch which is causing the issue. Have it replaced and everything will be back to normal. Cost Rs 200 or even less.

My Ford Fiesta Classic 1.4 TDCi had the same issue. They updated the ECU but it didn't resolve it.

Later replaced the clutch switch and all working great.
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The problem is a simple clutch switch which is causing the issue. Have it replaced and everything will be back to normal. Cost Rs 200 or even less.
Will try this also as the problem in my car is not rectified even after 4 & 1/2 years, with firmware updates and what not. Still the ugly problem rears its head once in a while.
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Hi friends,
Thanks for sharing your views and suggestions.

On September 9th 2015, I visited the A.S.S. in chandigarh. Attaching the pics herewith of how it went.

I mailed the custmail@ford india so that they are kept in loop and get the service manager to talk to the executive whoever called me up during my presence at the service center.

What the A.S.S. people said: they were of the view that the injectors are not working properly and s either it should be serviced or replaced but the clutch switch according to them was working fine. so they asked me to leave the car with them for about a day or two and the guys calling from chennai asked the A.S.S. people to provide me with a standby vehicle.

But as they are still clueless about why the problem occurs I feel the Fords don't have a information sharing platform in place neither are they taking this issue as a serious one and the customer is at the receiving end.

Reached there around 9.30 A.M.

Technicians started working on the vehicle as they got it test driven by a representative (it was like a curse for me as the person driving the vehicle was hell bent on not releasing the clutch until the engine roared for it, and after i got the car back by evening it has a new problem with the engine, now it feels as if there is something rolling in the engine as I half release the clutch, the engine starts to vibrate and asks for higher revving) During the test the vehicle stalled at a sharp bend just as the clutch was engaged. so the problem persists is what they told me (of course I knew it)

Came back to the A.S.S. then starts diagnostics part, they didn't have a clue of what is happening with the vehicle why is it getting stalled, and what the solution should be, all they did was:

Opened up various parts of the engine, got the carbon cleaned, took out injectors replaced them with their service injectors and tested how the injectors worked. Took out some readings (photographs attached)
In this one thing I had a query, when they knew I was complaining of the same issue since 2013 then why didn't they do this diagnostic thing at that time. all they did was reprogramming and good bye.

They were doing just one task i.e. to clean injectors and wait for the end of the day to say that I should leave the vehicle take a standby vehicle and leave so that they can see why the problem occurs. They cleaned the injectors (with a hell of a dirty cloth piece).

Now at around 2 P.M. they didn't have even a single clue of why the car stalls and that is when I just asked them to wind up the engine parts put them back in place replace the Clutch switch and let me go. But they refused to change the clutch switch as it was not necessary according to them and then they showed me this "ali baba ka chirag laptop" on which they showed me that the clutch is working fine as when they press it the reading says 'CLUTCH ON' and so according to them the clutch was working fine and needs no replacement of any clutch switch ( even when everyone among us at the center knew about when you press the clutch the engine dies).

By about 3.30 PM i got the vehicle back and drove away with a cleaned up exhaust pipe like thing and nothing material being done. but yes now the problem I am facing is when I put the car in first gear and release the clutch slowly the car demands excessive revving otherwise it vibrates (even vibration is an understatement, It just dances on road a Richter 7 earthquake strikes me everytime I engage first gear and slowly release the clutch ).

Then I got a call from Chennai at around 6 P.M. telling me that they have received the report and the vehicle is now in good condition and will not have any stalling issue now onwards.

Now I am in a fix on what to do.
get the clutch switch replaced from some other dealer where i should just enter and ask them to replace the switch, that's it, and drive away.

How would that dance in first gear be corrected now?

To be very true I am afraid of downshifting now. Pressing the clutch is now as scary for me as it would be for a man soaked in petrol to walk on burning coals. I don't know at which turn and at which instance between how think a traffic the engine would be killed.

The A.S.S. is just so keen to tell me to leave the vehicle for some days for a thorough checkup. Why are these checks being done now why didn't they do this in 2013 when first time the issue was brought to their notice. I guess lacs of figo are on road either they are not having any issues or they are not at all keen to get it resolved or the company is just downplaying the situation.

What was the role of those readings in the first place? Does the injectors really need to be cleaned for this issue? Is there a solution to this issue or I would have to sell off this problem to some novice who will then become a victim of these fords.

Please Suggest.

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Hi friends,
It has been almost 3 days and pretty good drives (within city traffic) and the stalling problem has not yet re-occurred. They cleaned the carbon gathered within the exhaust pipe from engine. though the mileage seems to be quite low but I can bear this for now and will take the car to get the injectors cleaned soon.
On the list is now the clutch switch changed (don't want to take any chances).
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Hi friends,
It has been almost 3 days and pretty good drives (within city traffic) and the stalling problem has not yet re-occurred. They cleaned the carbon gathered within the exhaust pipe from engine. though the mileage seems to be quite low but I can bear this for now and will take the car to get the injectors cleaned soon.
On the list is now the clutch switch changed (don't want to take any chances).
Is the figo still holding good? Have you got that clutch switch replaced?

Also which A.S.S did you visit in Chandigarh? Bhagat or Saluja?
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Is the figo still holding good? Have you got that clutch switch replaced?

Also which A.S.S did you visit in Chandigarh? Bhagat or Saluja?
Well, not really is it holding any good for me, stalling issue has resurfaced and worse as much as it can be, thrice has it stalled in last week thankfully now I am so scared of speeds I do not drive it as a car but a bullock cart wherein bulls can at any time stop moving.

I did not get the clutch switch replaced yet but now soon I will be moving ahead for this.

I visited Saluja Ford but bhagat ford isn't any better in this case as every single person at the service station is just hell bent on saying/claiming that Only i am facing such an issue and no one else around. and the only solution is to upgrade software. They are quite too interested in getting the hood off and working on engine, random pipes, fuel lines, injectors and what not.
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Well, not really is it holding any good for me, stalling issue has resurfaced and worse as much as it can be, thrice has it stalled in last week thankfully now I am so scared of speeds I do not drive it as a car but a bullock cart wherein bulls can at any time stop moving.

I did not get the clutch switch replaced yet but now soon I will be moving ahead for this.

I visited Saluja Ford but bhagat ford isn't any better in this case as every single person at the service station is just hell bent on saying/claiming that Only i am facing such an issue and no one else around. and the only solution is to upgrade software. They are quite too interested in getting the hood off and working on engine, random pipes, fuel lines, injectors and what not.
Please look into the VSS vehicle speed sensor or clean replace MAF. You can swap with another car to check before replacing.
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Hi Ashutosh,

I tried replying your message to me but got this error:

reveal_da_zeal has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Here is my answer:

The problem was not resolved. I don't think they will ever be able to resolve it. I had got only the software updates done (thrice), nothing else.

I sold off the vehicle in Feb this year.

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Well, not really is it holding any good for me, stalling issue has resurfaced and worse as much as it can be, thrice has it stalled in last week thankfully now I am so scared of speeds I do not drive it as a car but a bullock cart wherein bulls can at any time stop moving.

I did not get the clutch switch replaced yet but now soon I will be moving ahead for this.

I visited Saluja Ford but bhagat ford isn't any better in this case as every single person at the service station is just hell bent on saying/claiming that Only i am facing such an issue and no one else around. and the only solution is to upgrade software. They are quite too interested in getting the hood off and working on engine, random pipes, fuel lines, injectors and what not.
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I faced infamous stalling issue for the first time today. Mine is Feb 2012 manufactured Ford Figo.
My brother had reported same issue once couple of years back. When I took it to Ford A.S.S they said everything is ok and updated firmware just because I insisted. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3035262 (Review: 1st-gen Ford Figo (2010)).

Today I became the victim of this stalling issue. I overtook a 2 wheeler at speeds around 40-50 after downshifting, midway suddenly I hear 4 beeps similar to 8 beeps we hear when we turn on the key to ACC position. Very next moment I sensed that steering had become stiff, i.e. car is in switched off state Before I could realize or react, car was back to normal state up and running like before. What I faced was very familiar to problem mentioned by vid here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3036470 (Review: 1st-gen Ford Figo (2010)). I am not sure if even ECU update can help here because I had updated ECU after first stalling issue. I see couple of posts here which talk about possible issue with clutch switch. Last time when it occurred was in Feb 2013 and after close to 3 years this has reoccurred. I am not very sure what exactly is the issue here! Can a faulty clutch switch last for 3 years?

I should have bought Maruti Ritz with eyes closed. Fun to drive, feedback from steering etc of Ford is not at all worth this dangerous behavior. No more Ford for me!
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I personally drive a 2006 Fiesta 1.4 TDCI. This stalling problem has never occurred in my car. My sister has a 2011 Figo TDCI and the stalling problem started somewhere in 2012. Firmware was upgraded and some clutch sensor changes but the figo kept stalling while downshifting kept happening.

The culprit apparently is the clutch switch. Switch replaced in Jan 2016. No problem till date. The Figo has run approx. 76000 kms and does around 2500 kms a month.
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I personally drive a 2006 Fiesta 1.4 TDCI. This stalling problem has never occurred in my car. My sister has a 2011 Figo TDCI and the stalling problem started somewhere in 2012. Firmware was upgraded and some clutch sensor changes but the figo kept stalling while downshifting kept happening.

The culprit apparently is the clutch switch. Switch replaced in Jan 2016. No problem till date. The Figo has run approx. 76000 kms and does around 2500 kms a month.
My Figo stalled recently while downshifting and i think it might be a similar issue. Doesn't happen regularly, but it did occur several months back as well.

Editing post as I found the answers to my question in previous posts. I will get the clutch switch changed this week and check.

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Will try this also as the problem in my car is not rectified even after 4 & 1/2 years, with firmware updates and what not. Still the ugly problem rears its head once in a while.
Finally, after 5 years, the stalling issue seems to have left my car. For the 5th year service, I narrated the problem to the SA and he assured me that he will rectify it. The service was done a couple of months back and the problem has not occurred since. He did a couple of software upgrades (could not be physically present when they did it) and this seems to have done the trick. Will monitor and report if the issue comes back. For my car, the clutch sensor was not changed.
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